Pentagon releases UFO footage

[Guest SirVladimir]

46 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

We need to know what the UFOs are. So I think next time they should try to shoot down one of them. So we can pick up the wreckage and study it.

Apes. Together. Strong.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Mikael89 said:

So we can pick up the wreckage and study it.

If that ever happened you'd be the last one to know about it.

[Ananta]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

If that ever happened you'd be the last one to know about it.

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[DocWatts]

Surprised this isn't being talked about more than it is. I guess microbes aren't as exiting as grainy footage of flying saucers 

https://theconversation.com/the-detection-of-phosphine-in-venus-clouds-is-a-big-deal-heres-how-we-can-find-out-if-its-a-sign-of-life-146185

[Ananta]

10 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

And the aliens should be smart enough to understand why we shot it down. So they wouldn't retaliate too strongly.

I hope you aren't serious. 

[Preety_India]

 

8 minutes ago, Ananta said:

I hope you aren't serious. 

Hey, you're looking fabulous and gorgeous as usual. 

Sending hugs. ❤️

 

[Ananta]

Just now, Preety_India said:

 

Hey, you're looking fabulous and gorgeous as usual. 

Sending hugs. ❤️

 

Awe, well aren't you a sweetie ? 

Thank you❤

[Ananta]

1 minute ago, Mikael89 said:

16 minutes ago, Ananta said:

I hope you aren't serious. 

Why?

Because, imo, it doesn't make sense.

We would be showing an act of aggression. Proving we are hostile. I think they would retaliate strongly. 

But, this is hypothetical, so you can argue all day that they would understand our selfish ways and have mercy...but I doubt it.

[DocWatts]

48 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

It's not just grainy footage. At least 4 people had visual contact. And also they were seen on radar of a ship.

Anyone who's studied psychology could tell you how unreliable eyewitness testimony is. 

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but for such a huge paradigm shift it feels like the sort of thing we should withhold judgement on until it can be verified to the high standard that would be used if life were discovered on another body in our Solar System.

I don't really have a dog in the race on way or another, but I do see alot of overlap between this subject and the larger Conspiracy Theory community.

Edited September 20, 2020 by DocWatts

[Guest SirVladimir]

1 hour ago, Mikael89 said:

It would answer the question whether aliens have visited earth or not.

It would give us amazing technology which would change everything for humanity.

It's a big deal for whole humanity.

I get it. You are the big daddy who advances society. 'Just how it's gotta be, man. For our sake. For the greater good.' Just allow me to overwhelm you with a flair of feminine love to balance it out.  The moment our lens becomes centered around humanity and our thinking revolves and gets stuck on our side versus their side, we have fallen into a gaping hole. WE are aliens!

If they are as intelligent as an advanced intergalactic civilization ought to be, I find it hard to believe they would retaliate, though. Retaliation is such an ape level. A conscious being does not stomp an ant when it bites them because they have placed a hand inside a nest. You perfectly understand it, there is not an impulse to retaliate, you love the ant for what it is.

Having said that, this sort of gives an ant the 'privilege' to bite a conscious being and still be loved. The question I ask, what would be our cause to shoot down a flying saucer and acquire alien technology? To cruise the stars? To win a war? To end poverty, world hunger, would it be a noble cause? - Because we do not require more technology for that, we do not lack the technical capacity; we lack empathy and consciousness for that. 

Edited September 20, 2020 by SirVladimir

[Ananta]

10 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

It's simple

You saying it's simple doesn't make it simple. I stand by my last post. You're just spinning your wheels. 

 

[DocWatts]

29 minutes ago, Mikael89 said:

In what way unreliable?

Fair question! The reason being that human memory and visual perception are fallible and prone to biases. Our visual perception doesn't record events like a video camera, instead of creates stories that warp and change due to the emotions and biases of the person in question.

The article I posted goes in to more detail on the issue; I'll just add that a number of people have been wrongly convicted of crimes due to eyewitness testimony, only to have their convictions overturned due to more objective verification methods. 

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/teaching/myth-eyewitness-testimony-is-the-best-kind-of-evidence.html

That's not to say the eyewitness testimony is worthless %100 of time; just to keep its limitations in mind. 

Edited September 20, 2020 by DocWatts

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59 minutes ago, SirVladimir said:

If they are as intelligent as an advanced intergalactic civilization ought to be, I find it hard to believe they would retaliate, though. Retaliation is such an ape level. A conscious being does not stomp an ant when it bites them because they have placed a hand inside a nest. You perfectly understand it, there is not an impulse to retaliate, you love the ant for what it is.

Perhaps you're right. We won't know for sure though and no need to take the risk haha.

Them being intelligent enough to visit and observe us doesn't tell us anything more about their psychology, culture or sensibilities.

Edited September 20, 2020 by lmfao

[Ananta]

1 minute ago, lmfao said:

Them being intelligent enough to visit and observe us doesn't tell us anything more about their psychology, culture or sensibilities.

Maybe they are observing the planet, patiently waiting for humans to destroy themselves, so they can have a vacation home/planet.?

 

[Guest SirVladimir]

If we are ever to shoot down a flying saucer, I just pray it has an inbuilt atomizer that releases DMT into the air when humans get close.

Edited September 20, 2020 by SirVladimir

[Ananta]

21 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

@Ananta They could have just taken mars for that.

I think Earth looks like a better vacation spot then Mars.  Mars' atmosphere is 95 percent carbon dioxide, so if they need oxygen then that's a deal breaker right there. Plus, liquid water doesn't exist on the surface of Mars, so swimming is out.?

[Ananta]

24 minutes ago, SirVladimir said:

If we are ever to shoot down a flying saucer, I just pray it has an inbuilt atomizer that releases DMT into the air when humans get close.

...or it could be like shooting a nuclear bomb that releases radiation into the air. 

[Guest SirVladimir]

Just imagine the whole Area 51 inhaling the psychedelic fumes from the saucer; all the scientists, soldiers, workers before they even get to research the technology. If I were an extraterrestrial, that I would work on. 

[Aspiraling Wizard]

4 hours ago, Mikael89 said:

It's simple:

Do you understand why I want one alien aircraft to get shot down? Do you understand that despite me shooting it down, I'm not a monster who want the aliens to suffer?

If yes: then the aliens should understand that too.

Why? Because if the aliens have traveled so far through space and have all that unbelievable technology then they should also be smart enough to understand. Like we understand dog behavior they should understand our behavior. The more intelligent specie understands the more primitive specie. Not vice versa.

You fail to realize that shooting down a craft like that completely unprovoked is an act of war. If the military ever did that, they would likely be provoking a war that we are VERY much likely to lose.....HORRIBLY. I'm talking the most laughably pathetic and completely justified curbstomp ever. As in an entire armada of warships quantum leaping into earth's airspace so advanced that the average person would have a psychotic break simply from looking at it. It may even be an alliance of multiple different alien species. Careful with this word alien because to ANY other species WE are the aliens. If you really care about the possibility of interacting with other other intelligent and/or sentient life, I would suggest cultivating WAY more humility than you currently embody.

Edited September 20, 2020 by Aspiraling Wizard
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[Scholar]

The technology described seems to be so advanced, to assume that we can shoot such a thing down is to me quite unrealistic. From the speculation we are hearing, this thing might not even be travelling at all, instead it is pushing through space itself, sucking itself through it so to speak. It's not actually moving, in other words if you were to be inside that thing and it was moving with 10x speed of light, you wouldn't feel a thing. It would be as if you'd stand on a non-moving object.

When it is moving through the air, it is not actually interacting with the air, which is why it doesn't seem to cause a sonic boom. It doesn't actually push any molecules while it is travelling, because it is not actually travelling. I don't understand the hypothetical physics of this, but I am not sure if it couldn't just fly through a wall. That's how advanced that technology might be.

 

Also to think that giving us this kind of technology would be in any shape or form a good idea is very naive aswell. It would be like giving a bazooka to a chimp. Humans can barely keep up with the technology they themselves are creating, just think about if nuclear weapons had been invented a decade earlier, in another part of the world, like for example Nazi Germany. You don't try to teach a 4 year old to drive a car, the mind of the 4 year old is not ready. The same is true for us as mankind. We might not even be biologically capable of responsibly using that kind of technology. It might be that we will first need to actually change the structure of our brains and minds for us to deal with it on a larger scale.

Don't forget, at some point technology might become so advanced that a single dysfunctional mind could annihilate all life on a planet. A single "school shooter" type could destroy all life on earth, if technology was advanced enough.

This kind of dysfunctionality cannot even be given a chance to exist before a certain technological point has been reached. It cannot even be 1 out of a trillion people. It has to be a mind completely alien to ours, a mind that has no capacity for primitive desires like jealousy, hatred, fear and so forth.

 

The fact that there are people who would ever shoot down an alien aircraft to gain an imaginary benefit is all the reason why the aliens would deem us far too immature to do so. They might deem us so unadvanced that giving us any kind of advanced technology would be like giving ants nuclear weapons.

And equally, any technology that we might be given could be equally incomprehensible as a nuclear reactor is to an ant. A human mind might not even be capable of comprehend any type of understanding of how and what that technology is, or how it has been created. That's how advanced they could be.

Don't forget, if a species reaches a certain level of development it might be capable of intelligently "evolving" a structure that gives rise to a mind that would not be created in trillions and trillions of years of natural evolution. The wisdom of nature and all it's organism would seem like a child building something out of legos.

Edited September 20, 2020 by Scholar