Extending Conscious Politics to Other Forums

[trenton]

There are many people who could benefit from understanding politics on a deeper level.  This includes spiral dynamics, ego development, the world values survey, and other useful models found on actualized.org.  Many people don't know about these models, but we can use other political forums to reach them.

The issue I am drawn to a lot is abortion because the fallacy of the heap implicates that all dualities are imaginary and relative.  This includes the one true femto second at which abortion becomes murder.  All of these positions are arbitrary and I think I can help people to let go of trying to objectify groundless positions.  This gets people sucked into ideology and it gets harder to make progress in these complicated issues.

I started a discussion on the following site.  It is free to start an account of you want to.

https://www.debatepolitics.com/forum.php

In the abortion section I have a discussion about the fallacy of the heap if you want more people to learn about it.  I think if there were many more people on other political forums discussing some of the models found on actualized.org, it would help more people to engage in politics on a higher level.  It is hard to encourage people to do this because the lectures are long, but if we show the other sites how we apply the models for real practical benefits, they might look into it.

[Leo Gura]

Oh God......

[trenton]

@Leo Gura is it a bad idea?

[Lyubov]

24 minutes ago, trenton said:

@Leo Gura is it a bad idea?

Like they say... if you have to ask 

[trenton]

@Lyubov I am getting worried and I will probably have to ditch this entire plan.  I am thinking "Oh no did I turn this site into ideology?". " what have I done? ". This might be the worst political idea I have ever had in my life.  I just be pretty bad at politics.  Would you rather me get discouraged by this failure or keep trying to get better anyway?  I think I should keep practicing.  I thought this was a great idea because a few people actually found it useful.  I must be the worst at politics for now.

[Yog]

[trenton]

@Yog I mentioned this idea in the outrageous quotes mega thread.  I didn't mean to be a crusader blind to self bias.

[Yog]

@trenton Its alright, its just a joke

It was both in the sense of:
1. Do it, god wills it! As a cheer!
2. You'll probably end up crusading, or others surely will make you fall for it.

Its sticky stuff, for sure.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Yog

[trenton]

@Yog I reviewed the video on ideology.  The trap I keep falling into is making an anti-ideology ideology.  I never actually feel happy throughout the entire process of debating for a view point.  I have removed the site from my bookmarks, and I might delete my account once I figure out how.  Anyway, they told me that abortion was just a stalking horse and actually the fallacy of the heap is irrelevant to most people in this issue.  

Here is one thing that made me feel torn.  On one hand, I could actually be doing good for somebody if they don't know about the kernel of truth within the ideology created.  Because I felt that people might be helped by it, I started spreading the word, same with the psychological models.  In the process I still feel dirty, but I am not clear on any other way to affect millions of people without spreading an ideology.  Ideology is the short cut to doing it, but it limits me to one perspective as I constantly fear that I am wrong no matter what the content of my position.  There is some impatience in helping mankind, so I will correct for that.  Finally, how else to we affect millions of people without ideology?  What is the alternative to what I just did?  I am moving toward stay away from politics, but I don't think that works.