The current understanding of our situation makes no sense - Let me clearly explain

[WHO IS]

The current idea in the forum is that we are God and God is Eternal Love and Complete

At the same time people here usually agree that our reality and us being humans is a way for God to entertain himself out of boredom. HOWEVER, THIS MAKES NO SENSE !  Let me explain.  First of all God in his natural and most "true-to-the-source" habitat, dwells in a perfect completion/harmony and infinite love forever. Its a perfection of Being, which automatically means that ANY other state of being/existence is by default is a downgrade from Gods true state and point of view.

And we must believe that God would agree to such downgrade willingly? To say it by the 21 century standards : lol what m8?

Edited September 6, 2020 by WHO IS

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, WHO IS said:

which automatically means that ANY other state of being/existence is by default is a downgrade from Gods true state and point of view.

Since God is perfect and has no biases, nothing is a downgrade for God. God is so high that he's willing to stoop to the lowest of lows.

God doesn't mind becoming a turd squeezing out of a dog's asshole.

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And we must believe that God would agree to such downgrade willingly?

Of course. Here you are!

Ta-da!

[WHO IS]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Since God is perfect and has no biases, nothing is a downgrade for God. God is so high that he's willing to stoop to the lowest of lows.

God doesn't mind becoming a turd squeezing out of a dog's asshole.

Of course. Here you are!

Ta-da!

Sounds like a huge disrespect towards God. At the very least understanding that everything we own and us being alive is Gods mercy to us, only for these things alone out of gratefulness to God, we should not disrespect God like that Leo.         Dont You think God is worth the best of words? How  would you react if it was told towards you as an example, honestly speaking ?

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[Leo Gura]

@WHO IS Stop framing God as someone else other than you.

There is only YOU! That's it. The only one who can feel disrespected is you. God cannot be disrespected since God is disrespect.

[WHO IS]

Allright. Then, I ask you please tell me how do I travel/transfer myself to my truest-self (infinite love forever) ? Not  for minutes/hours on a 5-meo or other psychedelic etc. But go to my most true to the original state for EVER? Lets say Im tired of the "show" and of running around the lake, and I would like to just jump right into the lake to be there for eternity, without worry and limitations,                                                                                                               ehh one could dream right

 

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[Leo Gura]

@WHO IS Don't worry, that's where life will end up.

If you really want to go there permanently, just set that intention on your deathbed.

But also, don't be too much in a rush to get there. Enjoy the dream.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

And the grass is always greener on the other side. Once you're there, you'll want to be back here.

There is a good reason why you're here. To experience here. Don't take here for granted. Every corner of God is worthy of exploration.

[WHO IS]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@WHO IS Don't worry, that's where life will end up.

If you really want to go there permanently, just set that intention on your deathbed.

But also, don't be too much in a rush to get there. Enjoy the dream.

Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

I want to say thanks a lot for explaining these things, appreciate it. However could you explain Leo, why going to infinite-love-forever(aka. heaven) is associated with death all the time? Because thats what your last phrase "Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it." I understood to be hinting at.  

How could killing something/someone be the only way to transport that thing into infinite-love-forever, when if that thing/person is killed then there is no one left to transport into infinite-love-forever/heaven? lol

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[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, WHO IS said:

How could killing something/someone be the only way to transport that thing into infinite-love-forever,

By definition, Infinite Love Forever cannot have any form or person there. It feels a lot like if you were physically merged with every living being in the universe to the point where all of you became an undifferentiated soup of Love. It's like entering a black hole of Love from which there is no desire to return. You give up the desire to have any concrete personhood or form so that you could merge for fully with every part of the universe.

It's like having an infinitely long, infinite intensely orgasm that is so intense that it kills the body and just keeps going forever beyond the body because the body cannot contain so much Love. It is literally an Endless Ocean of Love in which all memory of having been a human or a person is lost. That is God in its purest form. But this degree of Love is not possible for humans because they choose to be finite and separate from things.

Imagine becoming ONE with a chainsaw. That's real Love

[Javfly33]

Pretty much what Leo said. You say it's a downgrade from the point of view of the ego mind because you have preferences between unity bliss and identity constrain doom

God however doesn't . So it's 'happy' to live the life your ego is 'creating' right now, doesn't matter if that entails 'suffering'

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is a good reason why you're here. To experience here. Don't take here for granted. Every corner of God is worthy of exploration.

Exactly. So if you, as  god, have decided to have this experience, is it not egoic to seek full enlightenment? not a way to try to escape from this experience? . you as god have created very firm barriers that create a separate identity. Why dissolve them permanently?

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So if you, as  god, have decided to have this experience, is it not egoic to seek full enlightenment?

Not if God decides to awaken.

[Tim R]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

is it not egoic to seek full enlightenment? not a way to try to escape from this experience?

@Breakingthewall The notion of a "you" as a separate self making its way towards enlightenment is the whole joke.

"You" don't awaken. "You" don't become enlightened. "You" neither exert any control over the process of awakening nor are "you" a marionette which is somehow subordinated to that process, because you are that very process. 

If the Godhead decides to wake up, it will wake up and you are that. 

[arlin]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It is literally an Endless Ocean of Love in which all memory of having been a human or a person is lost.

So when you die you really die.

You could say that death is love, but you can't experience that love because you are no longer there.

 

[Arzack]

Just now, arlin said:

So when you die you really die.

You could say that death is love, but you can't experience that love because you are no longer there.

 

You are still there, it's the ego who is no longer there.

[arlin]

@Arzack Oh yes? So there is a "real" you that experiences love, and the other one dies.

There are not many different "you"'s inside the skin. There is only 1 .

[Arzack]

Just now, arlin said:

@Arzack Oh yes? So there is a "real" you that experiences love, and the other one dies.

There are not many different "you"'s inside the skin. There is only 1 .

There is the ego and you. When ego dies, only you (consciousness) remain. 

[arlin]

1 minute ago, Arzack said:

There is the ego and you. When ego dies, only you (consciousness) remain.

Consciousness and ego are the same thing. That's why when you sleep at night, you dissolve.

If consciousness always remains, then why when you sleep you loose it?

 

[Javfly33]

4 minutes ago, arlin said:

Consciousness and ego are the same thing. That's why when you sleep at night, you dissolve.

If consciousness always remains, then why when you sleep you loose it?

 

You can't lose Consciousness because you don't have Consciousness.

Consciousness is not something you have. Conscioussness is reality. Conscioussness has you.

 

[Arzack]

Just now, arlin said:

Consciousness and ego are the same thing. That's why when you sleep at night, you dissolve.

If consciousness always remains, then why when you sleep you loose it?

 

Consciuosness doesn't always remain online, it can go dormant for a little bit in coma and sleep, but it always comes back on. That's why I say that it reamins. It only goes to sleep for a bit somewhere, but it always comes back online eventually. Therefore it remains, it can't die irreversibly.

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[Javfly33]

13 minutes ago, arlin said:

@Arzack Oh yes? So there is a "real" you that experiences love, and the other one dies.

There are not many different "you"'s inside the skin. There is only 1 .

There's nobody inside the skin.

That's literally your whole problem. You think you are inside the body. There's nobody there.