People’s party. Why not vote green?

[Lindsay]

Since you guys been listening to this guy I seen him talk on the 2020 peoples convention and he thinks we should vote third party. I really agree with voting 3rd party. Can we all organize and vote 3rd party please? Fuck Biden. Why should we settle? It’s literally a repeat of 2016. 

[Lindsay]

The other speakers that were brilliant in my opinion. 

[Lyubov]

if you want to throw away your vote and ensure 4 more years of conservative policy further ruining the country vote 3rd party.

[Lindsay]

What if we got everyone we know to vote third party

[Lyubov]

6 minutes ago, Lindsay said:

What if we got everyone we know to vote third party

It simply won't ever work, not in this election, or the next or the one after that. it is mathematically and structurally impossible for a 3rd party to ever win in the US aside from the occasional outlier in some tiny state election. look up "single member district plurality." the way elections are held in the US and their very structure automatically results in two parties. 

[Leo Gura]

You might as well vote for Donald Duck.

Co-opting the Dem party is the way to go. As AOC and the Justice Dems are doing.

Trump too co-opted the Republican party.

In both cases, the game consists of shifting the two mainstream parties either more left or more right. That's the whole game. Take responsibility for it. You can't be in politics while avoiding this game.

By rejecting the game you automatically lose it.

There is never going to be some magical "good" 3rd party which is above the fray. Such a party will never get mainstream appeal. The parties have to be dumbed down and play to the lowest common denominator so long as people are in Tier 1 stages of cognitive development. And a Tier 2 party will never win.

At least in our lifetime. Maybe in 100 years this will start to change.

[diamondpenguin]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You might as well vote for Donald Duck.

 

Well he has my vote. This is great leo that you made this forum to interact with your fans. Most people don't do that. I'm a big fan of the videos and doing spirituality. 

 

[Opo]

31 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Also, Why should I have to vote for a war criminal? Obama droned strikes killed innocent people 90% of the time, he overthrew Libya, and Biden supports sanctions against Venezuela.

Even if Biden wasn't a war criminal, he still won't lift sanctions.

If you care about those people vote for Biden because Trump will hurt them more. 

[Fadl]

1 hour ago, Opo said:

If you care about those people vote for Biden because Trump will hurt them more. 

Not exactly true, yes Trump has an agenda maybe an evil one, but it is leading to less casualties I think.

As a Middle Eastern if I had to vote, I will vote for this idiot.

[Lyubov]

Post like this must be the result of Russian propaganda in the region and on their social media over there? ^

Trump literally almost started a war with Iran and this still is a real possibility 

[Opo]

1 hour ago, Fadl said:

Not exactly true, yes Trump has an agenda maybe an evil one, but it is leading to less casualties I think.

As a Middle Eastern if I had to vote, I will vote for this idiot.

He increased drone bombing after Obama by 430%.

Only in 2018 his sanctions killed 40.000 Venezuelans. 

 

I think he does so much stupid shit inside the country that most people after that don't have enough energy to talk about what happens outside. 

[DocWatts]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You might as well vote for Donald Duck.

Co-opting the Dem party is the way to go. As AOC and the Justice Dems are doing.

Trump too co-opted the Republican party.

In both cases, the game consists of shifting the two mainstream parties either more left or more right. That's the whole game. Take responsibility for it. You can't be in politics while avoiding this game.

By rejecting the game you automatically lose it.

There is never going to be some magical "good" 3rd party which is above the fray. Such a party will never get mainstream appeal. The parties have to be dumbed down and play to the lowest common denominator so long as people are in Tier 1 stages of cognitive development. And a Tier 2 party will never win.

At least in our lifetime. Maybe in 100 years this will start to change.

For presidential elections this is certainly true, but on a smaller scale third parties have won governorship in a number of states in our lifetimes (Minnesota comes to mind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_third_party_and_independent_United_States_state_governors

I'm all for pushing the Democratic party towards a more progressive policy platform, and on a tactical level what you're saying makes a lot of sense; but don't totally discount the idea of Independents or Third Parties winning small, more local elections, even up to and including Governor.

Edited September 4, 2020 by DocWatts

[Fadl]

32 minutes ago, Opo said:

He increased drone bombing after Obama by 430%.

Only in 2018 his sanctions killed 40.000 Venezuelans. 

Trump is doing a good thing to the middle east by doing absolutely the wrong things, it is really funny in some way, a black comedy …of course I think he is stupid and I can’t understand how a country like the US only offers two clowns as the new president, Trump the idiot and Biden who looks like an old dude with Alzheimer (I hope he is not a pedophile). 

Anyway I’m not sure about these numbers that you’ve posted, I follow the news daily … I didn’t come across these kind of statistics (maybe I don’t follow it as I think), but again Trump (for us) is better than Biden because simply he has no plan regarding the middle east … just an idiot who will end the era of the USA. 

Why couldn’t you people just vote for Bernie Sanders?

[DocWatts]

Ranked Choice voting is a system that can help avoid the lesser of two evils dilemma, and give third parties and independents a more fair opportunity to win elections. It could also be implemented when voting in primary elections for our two political parties. 

Really should have been implemented a long time ago in the States, as there's no real downsides to using a system like this.
 

 

[DocWatts]

15 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

War criminals, both sides, what's the point in voting for Biden?

As someone who thought Biden was one of the worst picks among a handful of really promising candidates (Bernie, Yang, Warren, Tulsi), he's at least amenable to popular pressure for progressive reforms; Bernie's doing some tangible good here, as can be seen with the massive investments in Infrastructure and Green Energy that Biden was nudged to be on board with.

And you know, for all his problems, at worst he's more of the same prior to 2016, rather than an authoritarian who's actively damaging Democratic institutions to avoid being prosecuted on corruption charges. 

[Leo Gura]

14 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

What if (Vaush suggested this) we coopt the Democratic Party temporarily in order to abolish the electoral college, then we migrate to an explicitly Socialist Party.

Or are people s used to two parties, it will never work.

Removing the electoral college would require a Constitutional amendment. It basically won't ever happen because no conservatives will support it as it will take away their one hope at winning elections in the future.

14 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Also, Why should I have to vote for a war criminal? Obama droned strikes killed innocent people 90% of the time, he overthrew Libya, and Biden supports sanctions against Venezuela.

Even if Biden wasn't a war criminal, he still won't lift sanctions.

"War criminal" is a dumb label. It is meaningless when applied to presidents and heads of state. Leaders of giant countries and militaries are forced to make combat decisions that involve the loss of thousands of lives. It is part of their job description.

Trump is worse than Biden and Obama. Trump does more drone strikes than Obama.

8 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

War criminals, both sides, what's the point in voting for Biden?

See, this is why such a label is dumb. You use it to create a gross false equivalency.

It's like saying, "What's the difference between going bowling with my next door neighbor, Jim, who kills chickens to feed his family, and going bowling with Charles Manson? They're both killers. So I'll just go with Manson since he's already in the car and ready to drive."

You lack imagination to see just how dangerous Trump's decisions can be if he was presented with a serious military emergency. It's very much possible that Trump's idiocy and narcissism could kill 1 million or 10 million lives.

[DocWatts]

If you want to imagine a scary alternate history scenario, swap out JFK for Trump during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

It's almost hard to imagine a worse person to shoulder the weight of responsibility that being the leader of the largest military and economic power on the planet entails.

[Fadl]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Leaders of giant countries and militaries are forced to make combat decisions that involve the loss of thousands of lives.

Ok, but also the victims are forced to blow the enemy up as well. 

Freaking stupid combat decisions.

Obama was an idiot, Trump is a psychopath ... that is it.  

 

 

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Fadl said:

Obama was an idiot, Trump is a psychopath

Feeling smart?

[Fadl]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Feeling smart?

you are the smart dude here buddy, the rest have no idea.