Anderz

Transpersonal Journal

764 posts in this topic

If Biden wins is that good? Yes. If Trump wins is that good? Yes. That's the nondual perspective. Everything that happens happens the way is should happen and indeed can happen. Well, that's my take on it anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My woo woo take on humanity is that there are people who have been at the transpersonal stage since the dawn of humanity. But it's an incomplete transpersonal state where they lack the personal individuality that we have at the personal stage and that instead they have always been a collective consciousness.

So what needs to happen then is that we at the personal stage integrate with those with a collective consciousness so that humanity becomes a unified integral consciousness that transcends and includes individual consciousness.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I find it frustrating to have to wait for the election results. Especially since it's uncertain how long it can take. So what to do about that? My approach is: mindfulness practice! The restlessness is the crystallized ego vibrating. So mindfulness practice can be used for identifying the crystallized ego so it can more easily dissolve.

And as a next step when the restlessness has been identified I focus on inner peace. Even when it's difficult to find inner peace I can find a small seed of calmness among the agitating emotions. The practice is to put conscious attention into the small inner peace and allow it to increase.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's also important to avoid mistaking numbness for inner peace. Numbness suppresses the agitation and makes the crystallized ego grow stronger. Inner peace is the opposite of numbness.

One method for this is to allow the restlessness and other agitating feelings to increase along with the inner peace. A form of conscious alchemy where the agitation is transmuted into inner peace.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The transpersonal stage I define as trans-conceptual and collective consciousness. It's a whole new level of mind! In this new video Shunyamurti talks about something similar. I don't know yet if his description is correct, but it surely sounds like a new level of mind.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One problem with today's science is that it's second hand information for most people. Most of the scientific knowledge is based on thrust in authorities rather than direct personal understanding. Also, there is a divide between science and spirituality that at least can become more integrated. Those are two ideas that came to me before I watch Leo's new video about science.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Leo mentioned in his new video the unsolved problem with causality in science and philosophy. I have been ranting about that! I learned fairly recently that causality is just taken for granted without being explained. That was a mild shock for me.

Leo is at the cutting edge of understanding reality as I see it. Very interesting. Most other sources on the internet are at a level below Leo's and they get trapped in too limited models of reality and as science progresses it becomes limited by its own limited foundation. There are other sources who deal with similar things as Leo describes but almost always only in separate areas and not with a wholeness perspective.

Ken Wilber presents a fairly holistic perspective but Wilber is too much stuck in models I think. Leo mentioned trans-conceptual awareness that Shunyamurti has talked about, something that Wilber may include, but not in a fundamental enough way that transcends models as far as I know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I suspect that the Turquoise level of Spiral Dynamics is transpersonal in the way I have defined it. Does that mean that we need to move up to stage Yellow before entering the transpersonal stage? Not necessarily I think. I myself am I believe only at stage Yellow in a shallow way in areas where I can see the big picture, and to fully enter stage Yellow could take decades if at all in a lifetime.

So instead of thinking of personal development I believe and hope it's possible to focus on transpersonal development directly. And that someone would even be able to jump from stage Red all the way into the transpersonal stage, still with lots of further personal development needed but that it is something that can be done directly at the transpersonal stage.

I imagine the transpersonal stage to be effin' biblical! Haha. It's a leap into Satya Yuga and a new earth. And instead of it being a gradual progression of personal development, the transpersonal stage is a leap into a collective consciousness.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Leo asked what a number is.

Quote

"God made the integers, man made the rest." - Leopold Kronecker

Integers mean whole numbers such as 1, 2, 3 and -1, -2, -3... Real numbers are ironically less real I think and that's what Kronecker was talking about.

And interestingly, the model they use in the Wolfram Physics Projects only allows whole numbers, not real numbers which have infinite resolution. The real numbers are very useful but I suspect that they also lead to fallacies in mathematics.

Whole numbers can be grasped intuitively in direct experience, such as five apples. A real number such as Pi=3.14159265... can also be intuitively grasped but only in a limited way. For example, what is the last decimal of Pi?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

One insight I got from Leo's new video about science is that all our thinking is made up of limited models. Thinking is very useful, yet also shallow and confined to concepts, like simplistic labels we attach to things, nature, people and events.

I can almost see the limitations now. Thoughts are a bunch of labels, often soaked in heavy emotional content. At the personal stage we are very much trapped in thinking. And the transpersonal stage transcends and includes thoughts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another curious observation is the Salvia experiment Leo mentioned. Smoke a specified amount of Salvia and you will realize that you're not human. You could turn into coffee table. Leo called it the Black Hole Effect. Only people who actually do the experiment will realize it. Of course this was just a thought experiment, it's doubtful that we actually will turn into coffee tables.

A collective consciousness is also a form of Black Hole Effect. Let's say that someone enters a collective consciousness, and that there are only a few other people in that state. How will he or she be able to describe it and convince other people that such state of consciousness exists? Very tricky.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Leo said that Santa Claus is as real as numbers are. That is correct. From the nondual perspective everything is content in consciousness. Numbers are content in consciousness and so is Santa Claus.

It's only when we go into a dualistic perspective that numbers become more real than Santa Claus. So there is a distinction of course but maybe not an as absolute distinction as one might at first assume.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actually, atoms are just like Lego bricks. And our current mainstream scientific model of atoms may be really cartoonish compared to how reality functions at a deeper level. This is only my speculation, I haven't any direct experience of that and it's just a hunch I got now.

In my model atoms are made of akasha, the infinitely intelligent substance that space and everything is made of. So in my theory akasha could turn a carbon atom into a unicorn, literally. Very far-out idea but I like it as something to base my spiritual practices on.

Akasha is all the content in consciousness. So consciousness is prior to even akasha. In that sense my current idea is compatible with what Leo describes in his latest video. Science is currently at a cartoonish level!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Statistical analysis is often used in science and that's useful but I suspect there is also grave danger of getting wrong results. There is something called conditional probability.

Quote

"In probability theory, conditional probability is a measure of the probability of an event occurring, given that another event (by assumption, presumption, assertion or evidence) has already occurred.[1] If the event of interest is A and the event B is known or assumed to have occurred, "the conditional probability of A given B", or "the probability of A under the condition B", is usually written as P(A|B),[2][3] or sometimes PB(A) or P(A/B)." - Wikipedia

That's also useful, yet most situations in life are way more complicated, interconnected and conditional than can be captured with such simple formula. Of course in science today they use much more sophisticated models than that but I think that's still way too simplistic. For example what is the actual cause of any supposedly isolated event? Science can't even explain causality!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Today's science is of course very useful and precisely because it narrows reality into predictable boxes. One can look at it as a subset of reality that Stephen Wolfram calls computationally reducible.

So instead of replacing science it may be useful to come up with complementary methods. I have an idea of basing a new science on nondual causality, meaning events can be caused from all of reality, past, present and future. Could become nonsensical, lol, but I will ponder it for a while.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Leo mentioned the Planck length and said that there is no limit to how small things can get in the universe. I have an idea that is both/and. That the Planck length is the smallest "pixelation" in our universe and at the same time the division of space continues into smaller and smaller lengths yet never reaches zero.

For example if our universe is a white hole of a black hole in a parent universe, and the black holes at the centers of our galaxies are baby universes, space can continue to divide in those universes. And it makes logical sense, because from our perspective the black hole appears relatively small, yet the scale inside it is much smaller so within the black hole the universe there is experienced as large as ours.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the Big Bang theory is fairly correct BUT what we call the Big Bang of our universe is just the formation of a white hole which is a black hole in a parent universe. In my model one might say that there was a Huge Bang that manifested the entire multiverse tree of which our universe is just a recent branch.

And I think Leo is correct about our universe NOT being a simulation since in my model reality manifests instantly. And with instant manifestation there is no time for any simulation being constructed by external beings.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Whoa, Leo gave an excellent example of infinity in his recent video. Leo said that any finite method we use (which includes current science) will be equally insignificant compared to infinity. Even science a billion years from now we will be no closer to understanding reality than we were when living in caves.

That's infinity for you. :D Hilbert's infinite hotel is another example:

That was just the first part. Here is the complete infinite hotel:

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Many spiritual teachers claim that eternity means the eternal now, not time going on forever. I say: not so fast! Because I have personally experienced the extreme dread which can come when contemplating living forever.

At the personal stage we have chronophobia, which means fear of time. The transpersonal stage as I see it transcends the fear of time, including the idea of living forever. Contemplating infinity is a real beast. Fortunately, that's all conceptual thinking with lots of emotional content attached. Finding delight and peace in infinity requires the peace of God which transcends all understanding.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I now have a useful idea about nondual science. When starting with the premise that everything has nondual causality, the ego becomes a construct based on a false belief in separate causality.

At the personal stage we believe that we as individuals are causing things and can cause things to happen. That's what I call the crystallized ego. At the transpersonal stage we have a fluid ego with nondual causality. According to my nondual science everything has nondual causality, even the crystallized ego, so individual causality is simply a limited and false belief.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now