Why trust our direct experience?

[Knowledge]

Why trust it when we know that we can be tricked by a simple sleight of hand?

 

[Johnny5]

You can't trust direct experience, you can only trust what you are.

You can't actually know anything, except that truth exists and you are it.

[Consilience]

Direct experience is literally all you have. Like... there’s NOTHING else. 

[Nahm]

Trusting direct experience is the slight of hand.

[Forestluv]

@Knowledge Consider the distinction between direct experience and a contextualized experience.

Why do you trust that now is now? Why do you trust that ISness is ISness?

[WaveInTheOcean]

everything is direct experience

if you have never seen the color blue , and I tell you the sky is blue and beautiful, you can believe me "the sky is blue and beautiful", but you haven't directly experienced the sky, right? And you don't know what blue is. I can tell you much physical stuff about the blue colour, like how the eye and brain work works and the wavelength and frequency of the colour blue, etc, but that's not gonna make you see it, is it?

What is gonna make you see it? You going out and watching it:D 

Now, you have directly experienced it. Now, can you trust your direct experience? Is there really a blue material sky out there you can go visit and touch?

naaaah, we now know the blue sky is just an illusion because the molecules of the upper atmosphere scatter the blue frequencies the most, making an illusion of an apparant blue thing up there. But there is no sky, just blue light:>

Why is the sky blue? Cos blue frequencies are scattered the most.

But why is those frequencies perceived as the subjective experience of seeing blue? Well, that's God's programming, that's direct consciousness, that's how it is. That's infinity, mystery, right there.

Anyway, the point is not to *trust* direct experience per se, but to understand that what really matters is direct experience, and not rumors/belief or hersay. How you interpret your direct experiences, what story you want to build out of them: well that's up to you.

[tsuki]

On 28.08.2020 at 6:03 PM, Knowledge said:

Why trust it when we know that we can be tricked by a simple sleight of hand?

If you can be tricked, then it's not direct.

[Someone here]

Don't trust it.. But that won't change it because it's prior to your trust 

[Leo Gura]

One day you will realize the most obvious thing ever: experience is Absolute Truth.

[Carl-Richard]

How do you know it can be tricked?

[Leo Gura]

Thinking that experience is a trick, is a trick.

The color red cannot be a trick. Red is red. That's what it is.

[Preety_India]

Can anyone explain to me what kind of direct experience are we talking about here? 

 

What does this direct experience consist of or what does it reveal or feel like? 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Preety_India Look at your hand. It is Absolute Truth.

[Johnny5]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Thinking that experience is a trick, is a trick.

The color red cannot be a trick. Red is red. That's what it is.

It IS a trick... Red is no more red than pain is pain. Ask Ralston...

Experience is not absolute, it is a mirage.

Edited August 30, 2020 by Johnny5

[Leo Gura]

Stop parroting Ralston and look at what is absolutely true.

Red is Red. Pain is Pain. Everything is Everything. Everything is Absolute Truth.

A = A

It can't get simpler. But your mind sure likes to make it complicated with twisted ideas.

[Johnny5]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop parroting Ralston

 

10 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

Lol. Whether it is a mirage, a dream, solid or made of marshmallows, it doesn’t matter. The appearance of it is absolute. It is right there. Bam. End of story.

Until it isn't...

Story doesn't end until universe disappears, and you along with it.  ? 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Johnny5 While the universe is appearing, it is still Absolute Truth, however it appears.

[Johnny5]

[Farnaby]

@Leo Gura could both statements be true on a different level?

Like I agree that red is red in an absolute sense. But it's also just a hallucination that our brain creates based on sensory input. 

If we had a different brain, the experience of red would be different. 

 

 

[Farnaby]

@Meta-Man yes, I agree that experience is absolute. 

But even if it's just a thought, it's useful to understand how we perceive stuff and why other animals perceive in a different way.