Ancient Greek SD

[Vagos]

In what spiral stage would you put ancient Greece? It was a country where

- Seasonal, timewise preset rituals took place, shamans and fortune tellers were present with a very strong "death for the wellness of the tribe is honor" concept running ---> Purple

- Was run by warlords, being a soldier was a great pride, people were constantly ruthless and brutal, emotional and physical weakness was very much frowned upon ---> Red

- Democracy flourished and people had systems trough which certain decisions were made for the city (ostracizations etc), people had a lot of respect for religion ---> Blue

- It was a civilization that was extremely advanced both in terms of technology and of science, giving rise to critical thinking and the scientific method especially compared to other civilizations at the time ---> Orange

I know that I am probably listing aspects that were present in different times, maybe even thousands of years apart and also that a specific civilization can not be entirely classified using a single specific SD stage, more so interested in knowing about which stage is the core of attraction for this civilization and if people have anything else to say about it.  

[Bernardo Carleial]

@VagosBe very careful when pin pointing down one nation into the SD category. All nation in actually has a kaleidoscope of stages. Only those that are predominant in society (that's why it is called a MEME) is counted, for practical reasons.

Ancient Greek is tricky because it was divided into city states. But in all ancient civilation you didn't have any vMEME that goes beyond stage BLUE. I would put Athens as VMEME Blue, and Sparta as vMEME Red.

However... if you're talk about individuals, (the philosophers for example) you may see a wide range of different world views for example*:

Socrates I see him as VMEME Yellow.

Plato as VMEME Yellow/Turquoise.

And Aristotle as VMEME ORANGE/Yellow.

 

*Note: given the fact that were talking about ancient Greece. Which were some of the earliest civilizations that human being had. I'm aware that their worldviews are very narrow if you compare to 21st century society. What I did here was trying to match the thinking patterns (structure/framework) of these philosophers with the stages of Spiral Dynamics.

Edited August 28, 2020 by Bernardo Carleial