God = Nirvana ?

[Tim R]

When you become conscious of God, have you attained Nirvana?

And if you have discovered that you are God, how could you slip out of that state of consciousness?

If God is equal to Nirvana, can you attain Nirvana and then lose it again? Because that wouldn't seem like a very... "nirvanic" quality to me..

 

 

[Someone here]

The literal meaning of nirvana in sanskrit is "annihilation" or "cessation". 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Tim R said:

When you become conscious of God, have you attained Nirvana?

Depends on your definitions of those terms.

If you define Nirvana as a permanent state, then usually no.

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And if you have discovered that you are God, how could you slip out of that state of consciousness?

How could you not? If God could not forget it was God, how could it ever incarnate as a human?

As a human your consciousness will always be less than infinite.

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If God is equal to Nirvana, can you attain Nirvana and then lose it again? Because that wouldn't seem like a very... "nirvanic" quality to me..

You can experience a temporary Nirvana and come back.

[Someone here]

@Tim R well the Buddha didn't speak of God or gods.  In Buddhism they Beileve in the cycle of life and death. (samsara) According to your karma you keep reincarnating in new forms until you get your shit straight and learn how to be detached.. desirless and compassionate with all creation.. Then you break the cycle of life and death (which was just a dream caused by your fears and attachments) and attain nirvana which is simply to cease to exist.  Forever. 

[Tim R]

As far as I understood, Karma is what you get when you think "I do" or "something happens to me", since it means "action". And getting rid of Karma is acting and experiencing without "I". Which would explain why the rebirth cycle would come to an end, since rebirth is nothing but re-identification through memory.

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

and attain nirvana which is simply to cease to exist.  Forever.

Yes, that's related to my question, how could you re-enter into ordinary ego-consciousness after having attained Nirvana (though there of course can't be any "I" to attain Nirvana)? You can't?

 

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can experience a temporary Nirvana and come back.

Then this is not Nirvana?

[Red-White-Light]

11 minutes ago, Tim R said:

When you become conscious of God, have you attained Nirvana?

Depends on how you look at it. You can reach Nirvana states of consciousness aka becoming conscious of God, but you won’t necessarily be liberated. Liberation means that you are totally free from physical appearances and all that is left is spirit (

And if you have discovered that you are God, how could you slip out of that state of consciousness?

Because despite the paradigm shift, there is still a fundamental realm 

If God is equal to Nirvana, can you attain Nirvana and then lose it again? Because that wouldn't seem like a very... "nirvanic" quality to me..

 

 

Leo, do you have anymore insight into permanent liberation. How might the mechanics of liberation work from a neuroscience perspective?

[Tim R]

23 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As a human your consciousness will always be less than infinite.

How could something be "less than infinite"?

[Someone here]

@Tim R  "nirvana" samsara "" karma "" rebirth "" permanent "" non-permanent ".. All these words will get you more and more confused.  None of that will help you.  Because you are creating imaginary distinctions where there are no distinctions.. You are not going to solve the problem of assigning imaginary distinction by assigning yet even more imaginary distinctions on top of those imaginary distinctions.   

Reduce the complexity and equate all those terms together. 

[Tim R]

@Someone here Guess you're right.. I overthink shit too much and often, ain't helpful in this field

[Someone here]

@Tim R lol yeah the less you think about it the better your taste of what nirvana is about. 

[Javfly33]

That's the one million dollar question.

See, imo, if God really, really, really, wakes up, I don't see how the fuck he could forget it. Why would he? The fact that he remembers doesn't mean the person is going to be dead. That's supposedly the state where "enlightened beings" are. The knowing is fully Consciouss of itself, and everything else keeps moving. The body moves, the mouth speaks. "You" as an entity is dead of course. Only You as your true Self is there. Fully Consciouss. So what , not necessary to annihilate the world. Like I don't get why Leo compares it to that such radical degree, like there's no necessary to be that consciouss to be in Nirvana anyway ? @Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Tim R said:

Then this is not Nirvana?

As I said, it depends how you define your terms.

37 minutes ago, Tim R said:

How could something be "less than infinite"?

Here you are, less than infinitely conscious right now.

How can anything be impossible for Infinity?

[Inliytened1]

19 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

That's the one million dollar question.

See, imo, if God really, really, really, wakes up, I don't see how the fuck he could forget it. Why would he? The fact that he remembers doesn't mean the person is going to be dead. That's supposedly the state where "enlightened beings" are. The knowing is fully Consciouss of itself, and everything else keeps moving. The body moves, the mouth speaks. "You" as an entity is dead of course. Only You as your true Self is there. Fully Consciouss. So what , not necessary to annihilate the world. Like I don't get why Leo compares it to that such radical degree, like there's no necessary to be that consciouss to be in Nirvana anyway ? @Leo Gura

Pure Infinity has no form.  

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Pure Infinity has no form.  

@Inliytened1 Sure. But what I don't get is why Leo is making the simplistic distinction between being lost in ego or being absolutely consciouss of infinity.

There are "medium" stages, and some of them enough "pleasurable" (to be honest for me Infinity is terrifying Lol) to call them Nirvana.

In this states you are still *in* a human form , that's what I describe enlightened beings. They are consciouss but of course not so much to leave the body. But those states are still very "blissful".

[Tim R]

If consciousness is actually infinite, you can never, never ever be in a state of consciousness that is "less than infinite".

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@Inliytened1 Sure. But what I don't get is why Leo is making the simplistic distinction between being lost in ego or being absolutely consciouss of infinity.

There are "medium" stages, and some of them enough "pleasurable" (to be honest for me Infinity is terrifying Lol) to call them Nirvana.

As I said! It all depends on how you define your terms!

Stop acting dense.

3 minutes ago, Tim R said:

If consciousness is actually infinite, you can never, never ever be in a state of consciousness that is "less than infinite".

Except you can, and you are right now.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Tim R said:

If consciousness is actually infinite, you can never, never ever be in a state of consciousness that is "less than infinite".

something infinite can forget that it is infinite which would make it finite relative to that perspective.   Relatively it is finite but Absolutely speaking it is still infinite.

[Tim R]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Except you can, and you are right now.

How?? Infinity means it is infinite in every direction, doesn't it?

[Tim R]

Oh well I guess I'll first have to get high to understand consciousness

[ajai]

5 minutes ago, Tim R said:

How?? Infinity means it is infinite in every direction, doesn't it?

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21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As I said, it depends how you define your terms.

Here you are, less than infinitely conscious right now.

How can anything be impossible for Infinity?

infinity cumulates everything and infinity itself, anything finite is part of infinity it can take all finite forms.