Rising - Getting Worse and Worse

[diamondpenguin]

I know I'm gonna vote for biden. Trump is just a walking horse cake. 

[GroovyGuru]

@Leo Gura I'm glad you brought this up Leo because lately I have been feeling the exact same. I totally stopped watching Rising because as you stated it's become so predictable and boring. I know what to expect every time and I don't find their discussions enlightening or even useful at all. I still love Kyle, but I have to admit he falls under that bracket too.

It's become clear that people like Krystal and Kyle, although in the end I feel I have similar views and hopes for what the country can and should be, have become dangerous. We all know Biden and Kamala is not the ideal ticket, but to act like it isn't a million times better than Trump is extremely immature. I fear they have radicalized and convinced a lot of potential voters to sit this one out. Or worse yet, vote for the orange man.

[Gidiot]

Kyle is a lot more consistent with his criticism of republicans and praising Biden on things he does right to be fair, you don’t even have to look that far on his channel.

I think Kyle overestimates how people tend to vote on posturing rather than policy  and that people tend to vote for the person and ignore the issues even if  another candidate is  better on the issues, I didn’t realize that either until it was pointed out to me in Leo’s vid either fairly enough.
 

after watching a year worth of each show, and their joe Rogan interviews I definitely think Kyle has a better political sense.

And yea I didn’t think of that, rising  when bernie had a chance to win they were very non toxic in their opinions, but after he lost things went south.

[TrustTheProcess]

I think Kyle is more fair than Jimmy and Krystal. He even said he would vote for Joe and sobered up after the protesting started and trump went cray. 

[lmfao]

Shit's just bizarre, loads of folk are stage blue masquerading as stage green. 

Krystal is just weird. Her show which tries to make equivalent left and right populism. 
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Random piece of funny news, even Richard Spencer endorses Biden.

Edited August 27, 2020 by lmfao

[Leo Gura]

OMG, this Sagaar guy just won't quit:

"The very worst people on Earth want Biden to win."

 

[legendary]

No wonder the Trump campaign likes Sagar and listed him as one of the preferred debate hosts.

Have you noticed that they're able to get some key strategists from both parties on the show that don't show up on other alternative media? Would they not run into the same problem as the other mainstream media: if they bash politicians too much, they'll lose access and hence, must cozy up to them every now and then.

[abundance]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I look upon that more kindly.

I think they are being foolish and utopian, but I get it. People like that tend to be less pragmatic or savvy about how power works.

But to actively vote for Trump in 2020 is today's analog of re-electing Hitler. Public people who do that should have their names recorded in the history books' hall of shame.

I can forgive a guy for voting for Trump back in 2016 as they were unaware of what Trump was capable of. But now in 2020??? Now it's just getting farcical.

Not to detract from the premise of the thread but 60 million Americans plan on voting for Trump AGAIN. 

I agree voting for him is absolutely absurd btw.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, abundance said:

but 60 million Americans plan on voting for Trump AGAIN

Trump didn't invent dumbness and selfishness. It has always existed in ample supply.

[ItsNick]

Yeah they've grown a lot and fast. In the beginning I just thought they were just another progressive media show, but at some point Sagaar kept mentioning he's on the populist right and kept praising Tucker Carlson and it just turned me off.

I really don't understand Sagaar either, he's always happy to announce progressive wins and supported Bernie and yet identifies himself as right wing. It's absurd.

 

[Dragon Liege]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I look upon that more kindly.

I think they are being foolish and utopian, but I get it. People like that tend to be less pragmatic or savvy about how power works.

But to actively vote for Trump in 2020 is today's analog of re-electing Hitler. Public people who do that should have their names recorded in the history books' hall of shame.

I can forgive a guy for voting for Trump back in 2016 as they were unaware of what Trump was capable of. But now in 2020??? Now it's just getting farcical.

The thing is that so many people are still unaware of the bad stuff Trump does even though he's done obvious things like interfere with USPS or send federal police into Portland or call Covid-19 a democratic hoax. I personally know family members and other people like this. Here's a hot take. There might need to be something so more disastrous to happen because some people can't learn the easy way. It's not a guarantee, but it's possible. I feel like the deaths Covid-19, the eviction crisis, and the violence on protestors are worth it if it keeps Trump from getting elected or if it helps society progress. It's possible that it might not be enough. I don't think I'm exaggerating.

When progressives aren't pragmatic, it's irritating since it makes the rest of us look bad. There's the not voting for Biden over Trump thing too of course. I find Bernie or Busters irritating in general. I don't look upon voting green party kindly. It's more kindly than voting Trump, but not by much. What Bernie or Busters and 2020 Trump voters have in common is caring about sticking to their ideals rather than wanting to fix anything. They say they want things to get better even though their actions say otherwise.

[CaptainBobbyOlsen]

Watching this election and the discussions revolving around it reminds me that not much has happened in 4 years, and not even the candidates have changed... at least not since this hilarious little clip was made
 

 

[SunCat]

Who funds them is important. The Hill is owned and ran by Trump supporters: 

 

[ItsNick]

Some more BS Trump praising

[Opo]

14 hours ago, ItsNick said:

Some more BS Trump praising

At 3:30 he talks about how Obama and Biden hurt steel job and now Trump put tariffs on China that improved steel business. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Sagaar is a neo-neo-con. The millenial/zoomer conservative.

It's fascinating to watch how conservativism evolves to make itself tennable for younger generations. It can't be homophobic and racist for the millenial/zoomer crowd any more. And it can't be too pro-corporate either because millenials and zoomers are feeling to shafted by late-stage capitalism. But at the same time it can't be progressive or pro socialist either.

Sagaar must walk a very tight rope. I don't envy him.

[Parththakkar12]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Sagaar is a neo-neo-con. The millenial/zoomer conservative.

It's fascinating to watch how conservativism evolves to make itself tennable for younger generations. It can't be homophobic and racist for the millenial/zoomer crowd any more. And it can't be too pro-corporate either because millenials and zoomers are feeling to shafted by late-stage capitalism. But at the same time it can't be progressive or pro socialist either.

Sagaar must walk a very tight rope. I don't envy him.

Neo-conservatism is more about lamenting the loss of the 'good old past'.

I've legit heard conservatives say this - 'It's very hard to compete with the Left cuz they bring up and campaign for all these crazy changes. They can garner attention very easily cuz of this. The Right is having a difficult time attracting attention. When you say 'Change Nothing!!', that doesn't really polarize and radicalize people so it doesn't work to attract attention.' I must give credit to the guy saying this for at least being conscious of the fact that conservatism is all about resisting change!

[Scholar]

Aren't they just trying to maximize profits? I never heard about them before they went on this anti-mainstream ride, that's kind of where all their views are coming from is it not?

 

The dynamic here seems to me pretty simple. Polarization is good for business and with journalism already struggling in our age what do you think will happen?

Edited August 29, 2020 by Scholar

[Forestluv]

6 hours ago, Scholar said:

The dynamic here seems to me pretty simple. Polarization is good for business and with journalism already struggling in our age what do you think will happen?

Being open-minded, nuanced and contemplative takes a lot of work and can be uncomfortable. Many minds like things cu-and-try. It is easy and provides grounding. Many minds don’t like uncertainty, ambiguity or paradox. And the mind also creates a strong attachment/identification to an ideology. Then the seeking begins. Confirmation of that ideology / identity is like a drug and the mind becomes addicted. The news media plays into this and benefits. Yet there are other media outlets are beginning to explore nuances - for example shows go into the pros and cons of certain phenomena like psychedelics. Yet it’s much harder on topics people are highly attached/identified that they see as personally threatening - such as politics, religion, science. We don’t see many people getting ideological about diapers, sunsets and paper clips. 

[Extreme Z7]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sagaar is a neo-neo-con.

So socialists are technically neo-neo-neo-neo-cons. Language is strange.