Picking Apart Enlightenment

[Harmony342]

Why is it that some people experience a permanent state of enlightenment and others simply a taste of it? Would it take years of meditation or is there a more efficient way of becoming enlightened. Are there different types and degrees of enlightenment? Please let me know if I'm coming at this all wrong, I just want to try to map out the terrain a bit.

[Dodo]

17 minutes ago, Harmony342 said:

Why is it that some people experience a permanent state of enlightenment and others simply a taste of it? Would it take years of meditation or is there a more efficient way of becoming enlightened. Are there different types and degrees of enlightenment? Please let me know if I'm coming at this all wrong, I just want to try to map out the terrain a bit.

Enlightenment is not a peak experience, these experiences are perhaps like side effects of not identifying with something you are not. This waking reality is so normalised by humanity that it is no longer mystical by default, so once something mystical happens "OOOOH SHIT!!! aM i EnLigHteNed nOw?" NO! You are enlightened when you realise all experience is mystical experience, all experience is known by the one enlightenment.

[Nahm]

@Harmony342

Really scrutinize who & what you’re talking about. That is the way. Deconstruct concepts rather than adding them. Concepts like some people, experience, permanent states, etc. 

[Natasha]

@Harmony342  By shifting perspectives from mind to no-mind, from conceptual to Being. The shift occurs when the area of your brain responsible for the sense of self gets deactivated. There are different ways to deactivate that part of your brain intentionally - psychedelics, meditation, self-inqiry, etc. Those who had the shift unintentionally usually have had an event/events (likely traumatic in nature), a substance, mental condition, etc that triggered that deactivation. And it also could be a combination of things mentioned above. 

Can you look at this picture and NOT see a pipe as a conceptual construct? 

"This is not a pipe" - Rene Magritte

[ZenSwift]

On 23/08/2020 at 7:54 AM, Natasha said:

shift occurs when the area of your brain responsible for the sense of self gets deactivated

Interesting. 

[VeganAwake]

On 8/23/2020 at 4:44 AM, Harmony342 said:

Why is it that some people experience a permanent state of enlightenment and others simply a taste of it? Would it take years of meditation or is there a more efficient way of becoming enlightened. Are there different types and degrees of enlightenment? Please let me know if I'm coming at this all wrong, I just want to try to map out the terrain a bit.

Enlightenment is the case when the individual trying to experience it dies.

Doesn't that sound swell ?