Stage test - How civilised are you?

[Epikur]

I saw today a movie where the evil guy says that he sacrificed his fingers to stay alife. He threatens to kill another criminal unless he sacrifices his fingers too (without tools). 

So I ask myself what would I do to keep myself alife? This could be extended to what moral rules would you break to keep yourself or your loved ones alife?

[Carl-Richard]

If I remember the movie correctly, the moral of that story was that he was brave enough to sacrifice a part of himself to rescue a greater part of himself, but in the frame of being a stage red tough-guy. The truth in that is that sustaining anything requires sacrifice; the specifics of which is what morality is concerned about finding out. What sacrifices are worth it? In that movie, the person who doesn't dare to stand the pain of chewing off their own finger doesn't understand the importance of sacrifice and the bravery that is required to sustain yourself in a dangerous world, and this applies to all aspects of life.

Edited August 16, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Epikur]

 

[Gidiot]

I don’t mind dying, sense Death is concept, gun to my head probably a different answer but maybe not? I’d cut my fingers off to save someone else but not myself.

[Opo]

51 minutes ago, Gidiot said:

I don’t mind dying, sense Death is concept, gun to my head probably a different answer but maybe not? I’d cut my fingers off to save someone else but not myself.

Someone else dying is still a concept. 

[zeroISinfinity]

2 hours ago, Gidiot said:

I don’t mind dying, sense Death is concept, gun to my head probably a different answer but maybe not? I’d cut my fingers off to save someone else but not myself.

So hard to not pull Sagi on this That's why this forum is not for me. 

 

1 hour ago, Opo said:

Someone else dying is still a concept. 

Misunderstanding of non duality teachings. Examples. 

How civilised I am. Well I am stage beige on spirial dynamics so not so much I guess. 

[Gidiot]

@Opo yes but do they know that? In said hypothetical they may be afraid of death, and so I’d sacrifice, not everybody mind you, but some, as for as I’m concerned I don’t give a shit, as far as I’m concerned I never lived

[Gidiot]

@zeroISinfinity you don’t like my answer hey that’s fine. Have a good day man 

[zeroISinfinity]

22 hours ago, Gidiot said:

@zeroISinfinity you don’t like my answer hey that’s fine. Have a good day man 

Well I want you to feel The answer. Nothing against non duality talk. It's still a talk ya know. 

[Harmony342]

I think the vast majority of us would be amusingly terrified if we were actually confronted with death or torture or something similar. It takes someone very enlightened to not be phased by such a situation

[Epikur]

@Harmony342

Regarding this topic the movie "memento" fascinated me. Specially the real meaning of the story. The guy has a severe memory condition. Normally one would think about suicide. Leading such a life seems to be quite meaningless because of that the guy tricked himself to give himself a meaning. It's a fake meaning but because he can't remember that it's fake he thinks it is real. That way he keeps himself alife. How would you deal with it?

[Gidiot]

@zeroISinfinity alright well I have had light “ego deaths” so to speak, I realized I was just energy or consciousness or whatever you want to call it then I felt my sense of localization fall away. I still don’t fear death, my logic is that if I know I’m dead I’m not really dead, if I’m really dead then I won’t know it so why worry, I never existed anyway haha