Society is always evolving. There's no such thing as the right answer in politics.

[The Don]

Hi.

We're always wrong on politics. If you say something is right, that's relative to you. Over the next years or decades, you'll see that.

The only things that matter are the objective ones. And we definitely should agree on some objective points of view, because they're real and they exist.

When we think a certain candidate is better than the other, it's because of our own bias. We're not discussing objective points of view that we should all agree on.

Do people need good values to function effectively in life? What are the best values a person can have?

I always emphasize that people are not basically good. History tells me that. That's why having good values means a lot to me.

What are the things that we can all agree on?

[ivory]

I get what you are saying by, "There's no such thing as a right answer," and I agree that we are all biased to a degree. However, the more conscious you become the more you care and want to give. Certain candidates are better because they are more conscious and because they want what's good for the whole. Not caring for the wellbeing of others is insanity.

[dyslexicCnut]

Notice that your use of the language "we're not discussing objective points of view that we should all agree on" presupposes a a set of beliefs that should serve as the axiomatic grounding for a political approach. That acknowledgment in itself should preclude any nondualist from invoking relativism as the basis for dismissing political preferences. 

If your post did not intend to invoke metaphysical relativism, then it's hard to conjure why you would be trying to essentially convince us nazism and utilitarianism are merely equally valid opposing perspectives. This sort of thinking really annoys the hell out of me, but perhaps I've missed something.

[The Don]

12 minutes ago, dyslexicCnut said:

If your post did not intend to invoke metaphysical relativism, then it's hard to conjure why you would be trying to essentially convince us nazism and utilitarianism are merely equally valid opposing perspectives.

My post isn't meant to invoke anything other than what's true.

For example, the truth can't be relative. "Your truth" can be relative, but it's not an objective truth as long as you claim it to be yours.

In reality (the one we experience right now), expressions like "there's no objective truth" are pure fantasy.

We embrace the materialistic paradigm because it servers us in so many way, yet we claim it to be wrong.

[dyslexicCnut]

7 minutes ago, The Don said:

My post isn't meant to invoke anything other than what's true.

In reality (the one we experience right now), expressions like "there's no objective truth" are pure fantasy.

It seems there's some degree of dissonance between the implied conversation direction and this choice of words. The original post does seem to invoke relativism as the basis for denying "right answers" in politics.

Now as you have said that you in fact mean the exact opposite, that there exists an objective truth which everyone could be receptive to, this begs the question, as I touched on previously, why do you want people to believe that the only essential difference between fascism and utilitarianism is the relative truth that one subjectively ascribes to them? This can only make sense if you are appealing to epistemological relativism.

I find it beyond frustrating when the ever-growing likes of enlightened centrists try to convince me that nazism and buddhism are morally equal, so if you will, please explain why you have posited what seems to be an inane denial of the concept of favorability.

[Annoynymous]

@The Don can you give some examples of objective points of view?

[Espaim]

When you say objective I understand "socially agreed to be true due to shared subjective experiences" and your post doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

On 14/08/2020 at 9:08 AM, Annoynymous said:

@The Don can you give some examples of objective points of view?

Please!!

Edited August 16, 2020 by Espaim