Is there a way out of suffering?

[Jacobsrw]

21 hours ago, Someone here said:

There is a lot of suffering that one can experience in this life. Some people are lucky they experience less suffering and some people are just fated to be in the middle of some extreme shit like starving kids in Africa etc.   Suffering exists so let's not waste time arguing about whether it exists or not.. My question is there a salvation? A permanent end to all forms of suffering?  If so what it is?  Because I don't think there is such a way except permanent annihilation. 

Please make your response non - classical and nuanced because it's so easy to deconstruct woo woo unrealistic answers. Thanks 

 

Collapse your attached sense of identification to the self and suffering collapses. In other words, undo all your conditioning.

You want a simple answer that rectifies all the calamities your ego has accosted you. This is not going to work. You cannot simply use your ego to deconstruct ego, this is just more ego fooling itself. You must move beyond ego to dissolve its suffering.

Spend a week straight observing your silent experience with no singular distraction. This will do more for your suffering than likely any other method.

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[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Mu_ said:

And so what if you still experience suffering?

Nothing.. It just sucks. 

 

3 hours ago, Mu_ said:

You say suffering makes the world a shitty place, you ever met someone who's in pain in a regular basis or in a wheelchair or the guy who had his face shot off and yet their attitude towards life is one of thankfulness, kindness, and appreciation?  Whats the difference in your situation and theirs?  I found lots of good truth in pondering this question that helped me stop being a victim of suffering. 

 

Yeah I guess there is a lot of Cases like this.. And do you know why those people are even more peaceful than healthy people?  Because it's so out of their control that they just surrender because there is no other alternative.  This doesn't mean that they actually deep down "enjoy" their suffering or they want it to persist.. That would be naive to say.. They just accepted their suffering because they see there is no point in fighting anyways. 

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[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Jacobsrw said:

Spend a week straight observing your silent experience with no singular distraction. This will do more for your suffering than likely any other method.

The problem is not all suffering is mental (emotional or psychological). There is physical suffering and that's more fundamental and it is what triggers psychological suffering.    If I'm having an extreme stomach ache for example.. What does doing anything regarding "thoughts.. Mind.. Ego.. Identification" gonna help In this case? 

[allislove]

@Someone here that's a good point to make a distinction between "mental" suffering (e.g. I suffer because I don't have a relationship I want) and "physical" suffering (e.g. I suffer due to stomach ache). All "mental" suffering completely can be thrown out of the window. It's harder to do with "physical" suffering. I can see how on the peak of 5-MeO non-experience everything dissolves, so you won't care about any physical pain on the peak, since there is no you and no pain. But when there is something, some appearance, it may be super hard to not push away the pain. Pain itself is just a strong feeling (energy), the problem arises when there is the illusory distance between the feeling and you. What I can say it's definitely possible substantially to lessen suffering from the pain with spiritual work since you can accept it more and not push away. There were examples on the internet when monk burns himself alive. I am not sure this is a valid example for me. Since there is an appearance, it may be the case that it's not possible to merge with the strong feeling of pain to make the illusory distance between you and pain to be zero, or in other words to accept it fully. I don't know. 

[Leo Gura]

20 hours ago, Merkabah said:

animals only realize pain not suffering. Perhaps because they live solely in the moment....... am I wrong?

 

[zeroISinfinity]

@allislove this is Absolute state of Consciousness. Your Dream is Absolute state Consciousness. No difference btw peak 5meo and this. 

You are no self right now. 

[diamondpenguin]

Animals definitely do experience suffering. Theres lots of videos about tigers, penguins, elephants at the least grieving their friends and family. Mammals certainly feel emotions and birds do too. When I look at a bird on the sidewalk or grass in the park there is a lot of resemblance between the bird and people. Most people think all animals are stupid. But no they aren't really that different at all. We are all just more developed that's really the difference and to some extent less entrenched in survival. 

[traveler]

The one who suffers is illusory, it has no consequence other than for the illusory one who suffers. All there is is unconditional love, there is no other. There is no end, no escape, nowhere to go. You can't escape all there is (because you are not separate from it). The suffering is unconditional love appearing as an experience of a separate "me" in a real world looking for unconditional love/wholeness, it is just a temporary passing of appearance that never happened. Nothing ever happened; real and unreal; unknowable; this.

[allislove]

@zeroISinfinity sure, there is no difference, but there is appearance now and it's possible to have no appearance. 

Something is nothing and nothing is something. I am just saying when you are identified with a human body it may be not possible to merge with a strong feeling of pain.

[Someone here]

17 minutes ago, allislove said:

What I can say it's definitely possible substantially to lessen suffering from the pain with spiritual work since you can accept it more and not push away. There were examples on the internet when monk burns himself alive. I am not sure this is a valid example for me. Since there is an appearance, it may be the case that it's not possible to merge with the strong feeling of pain to make the illusory distance between you and pain to be zero, or in other words to accept it fully. I don't know. 

Yeah but that's the exception not the rule. Those  monks if they are even for real are like what?  1% of the human race?   These abilities are certainly not available for the vast majority of people. So you can't build your soultion based on the rare exception( assuming that these paranormal abilities are actually legit). 

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[traveler]

2 minutes ago, allislove said:

@zeroISinfinity sure, there is no difference, but there is appearance now and it's possible to have no appearance. 

Something is nothing and nothing is something. I am just saying when you are identified with a human body it may be not possible to merge with a strong feeling of pain.

There is not appearance now, only apparently. 

No need to merge with anything,  you're already dead.

[allislove]

1 minute ago, traveler said:

There is not appearance now, only apparently. 

No need to merge with anything,  you're already dead.

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[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, traveler said:

The one who suffers is illusory, it has no consequence other than for the illusory one who suffers. All there is is unconditional love, there is no other. There is no end, no escape, nowhere to go. You can't escape all there is (because you are not separate from it). The suffering is unconditional love appearing as an experience of a separate "me" in a real world looking for unconditional love/wholeness, it is just a temporary passing of appearance that never happened. Nothing ever happened; real and unreal; unknowable; this.

OK. 

I bet if I asked you about the global warming problem or your opinion about Donald trump or the Corona virus or who is your favorite pornstar.. You gonna say the same kinda nondual mantras

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[allislove]

16 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yeah but that's the exception not the rule. Those  monks if they are even for real are like what?  1% of the human race?   These abilities are certainly not available for the vast majority of people. So you can't build your soultion based on the rare exception( assuming that these paranormal abilities are actually legit). 

I would say don't give your authority to anyone. You are here alone or put it in other words you are everything. 
I mentioned that this is not a valid example for me, perhaps, since we don't know what he felt while burning :)) 
Ramana Maharshi would be a better example in this regard. But I want to have an example from current generation, just for inspiration. 

[zeroISinfinity]

8 minutes ago, traveler said:

There is not appearance now, only apparently. 

No need to merge with anything,  you're already dead.

"Appearances" =actual Love. 

Being One is not ?

[zeroISinfinity]

It is even possible to turn physical pain into Love. To What degree I dunno really anymore.

I have no idea, this stuff just breaks Everything I ever knew. 

[allislove]

Just now, zeroISinfinity said:

It is even possible to turn physical pain into Love. To What degree I dunno really anymore.

I have no idea, this stuff just breaks Everything I ever knew. 

physical pain is Love, as everything else, c'mon.

The only question I have is to what degree you can disidentify with a human body in a sober state :)) 

[zeroISinfinity]

Just now, allislove said:

physical pain is Love, as everything else, c'mon.

The only question I have is to what degree you can disidentify with a human body in a sober state :)) 

I don't feel as human, man. Including all physical pain. I don't actually feel it as pain. 

[traveler]

6 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

"Appearances" =actual Love. 

Being One is not ?

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[allislove]

@zeroISinfinity nice ?