How can you love your Self if there is no Self?

[zenviolet]

I've never felt love for myself. I've always had crippingly low self esteem, for as long as I can remember.

My whole life I was also painfully curious about life and spirituality. I did some inquiry. Figured out I am nothing. There is no one in here and never was.

You'd think it would be a relief. But everyone else is walking around, building this cool life, and I'm sitting here with even less personal motivation than before. I feel no love for anything. I think I am too broken to be in this world. Leo has a video for Self Love but I don't even understand how you can love a Self that doesn't even exist. Love is as foreign to me as aliens. I have lost all my lust for life (of which I never had much of, anyway).

I'm really losing hope. I don't care about anything. I would love some advice.

[OctagonOctopus]

If you truly deeply fully embodied the realization that you are nothing, you wouldn’t  care about anything, but there is something you care about that is making you feel you are worthless, broken, & don’t deserve love. What is that? 
Dig deep, find the limiting belief that has its claws in you. Surrender it, because, it is, nothing. 

[bejapuskas]

There might not be any self, but there can still be a sense of self, or a thought of the self. 

[zeroISinfinity]

@zenviolet You are Amazing Infinite Love. You are so awesome. 

Self=no self=LOVE

Body is you same as everything else. So Love it. 

Edited August 9, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[Nahm]

On 8/8/2020 at 11:12 AM, zenviolet said:

I've never felt love for myself.

Love yourself. Don’t philosophize it, don’t think about it, do it. Start with appreciation, it is love. Stop taking your hands & feet for granted for example. Notice them, appreciate them. Watch them, notice & love them.

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I've always had crippingly low self esteem, for as long as I can remember.

Read The Six Pillars Of Self Esteem. Then, read Ask & It Is Given. Then make a dreamboard. Then receive what you are wanting. 

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My whole life I was also painfully curious about life and spirituality. I did some inquiry. Figured out I am nothing. There is no one in here and never was.

You bamboozled yourself. You didn’t experience nothing, you conceptualized it. And not even. 

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You'd think it would be a relief. But everyone else is walking around, building this cool life, and I'm sitting here with even less personal motivation than before.

Be open to the possibility you’re bullshitting yourself. The thought might be about other people living cool lives...but the feeling is about you living the life you actually want. Don’t fall for the cover story of thoughts, fall in love with feeling. It is literal sensational guidance for this lifetime. Infinite Intelligence. Notice you can not take feeling off, like you would a coat. You’ll have this guidance for as long as your alive. Wether you start listening to it or not, is up to you. No one will ever come along and wake you up and make you listen to feeling. You gotta do it. Have you had enough suffering yet? 

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I feel no love for anything. I think I am too broken to be in this world.

If you were not love, goodness - you would not be able to experience the relativity to derive ‘that you are broken’. Beginner’s mind is very much called for. Let go of the belief you’ve figured anything out. Let the whole thought-level of ‘figuring out’ go. That ain’t it. FEEL. 

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Leo has a video for Self Love but I don't even understand how you can love a Self that doesn't even exist.

That self doesn’t exist is literally being said. If there was no self there would be no saying. You’re believing you at 100 / 1000 on the path, sts, and in truth you haven’t seen the path yet. Open up your mind as to what a self could be. It’s presently quite limited, and that is the feeling of suffering. 

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Love is as foreign to me as aliens.

Not foreign, conceptualized, via believing you know stuff. 

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I have lost all my lust for life (of which I never had much of, anyway).

You’re made of it. Born of it. Life doesn’t happen accidently. Pregnancies, sometimes - but not Life. God is beyond conception.

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I'm really losing hope. I don't care about anything. I would love some advice.

I love you and welcome to the forum, and I’m calling bullshit. The evidence that you do care, is the feeling of losing hope. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have made this post. Recognize that in direct feeling. Start to consider you have misunderstood much, and suppressed feeling, which told you at every turn that your perspective was off.

 

[zeroISinfinity]

@Nahm this guy is just. 

 

What da. "BS yourself " etc ain't no different then me. 

He even admitted both are ideal. What happens when you actually love people and want to help out. Quite fascinated. 

Not everyone will awake to your level life coach and you have to accept realities of that. To look things from their perspective actually. 

I love Mr Legit. Bring it on. 

[zeroISinfinity]

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

Love yourself. Don’t philosophize it, don’t think about it, do it. Start with appreciation, it is love. Stop taking your hands & feet for granted for example. Notice them, appreciate them. Watch them, notice & love them.

It's all love but I have only avarage sized penis. How to love that. I want it to be bigger and wider but it won't do. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

Read The Six Pillars Of Self Esteem. Then, read Ask & It Is Given. Then make a dreamboard. Then receive what you are wanting. 

Somehow I feel fearless and dunno why. Like there was never aby need for fear at all. But I told my self stories and I beleived in them. Will make dreambord. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

You bamboozled yourself. You didn’t experience nothing, you conceptualized it. And not even. 

Bamboozled.  Yes I am man. I also conceptualized shitload of VS through entire life. Then I realized my "cleverness" is large pile of shit. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

Be open to the possibility you’re bullshitting yourself. The thought might be about other people living cool lives...

 

They do man. I want life of Dan Bilzerian but I am born in God damn Serbia. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

but the feeling is about you living the life you actually want. Don’t fall for the cover story of thoughts, fall in love with feeling. It is literal sensational guidance for this lifetime. Infinite Intelligence. Notice you can not take feeling off, like you would a coat. You’ll have this guidance for as long as your alive. Wether you start listening to it or not, is up to you.

You are telling me I have to listen my ❤️. Oh please no. I want to be smart ass. 

 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

No one will ever come along and wake you up and make you listen to feeling. You gotta do it. Have you had enough suffering yet? 

Is there really suffering? 

Oh man I invested so much time and effort in that mind and I've been following it from start. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

If you were not love, goodness - you would not be able to experience the relativity to derive ‘that you are broken’. Beginner’s mind is very much called for. Let go of the belief you’ve figured anything out. Let the whole thought-level of ‘figuring out’ go. That ain’t it. FEEL. 

Feelings, Feelings, Feelings. I am a man. I am a man. Feelings are for girls. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

That self doesn’t exist is literally being said. If there was no self there would be no saying. You’re believing you at 100 / 1000 on the path, sts, and in truth you haven’t seen the path yet. Open up your mind as to what a self could be. It’s presently quite limited, and that is the feeling of suffering. 

Maybe Self is unlimited. Maybe Self is Love kind off intuit that but I am not sure. 

Path oh yes these spiritual practises that literally are killing me off and showing me that I am actually love. But that is not what I learned in school. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

Not foreign, conceptualized, via believing you know stuff. 

I do know stuff. Bring it on. Ask me anything. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

You’re made of it. Born of it. Life doesn’t happen accidently. Pregnancies, sometimes - but not Life. God is beyond conception.

God oh yes. Unbeleivable thing. 

How I can realize existance of it. I am an atheist ya know.All I am talented for is fast ninja hands. 

13 hours ago, Nahm said:

I love you and welcome to the forum, and I’m calling bullshit. The evidence that you do care, is the feeling of losing hope. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have made this post. Recognize that in direct feeling. Start to consider you have misunderstood much, and suppressed feeling, which told you at every turn that your perspective was off.

 

Oh boyo. 

[Luciphene]

On 08/08/2020 at 4:12 PM, zenviolet said:

I've never felt love for myself. I've always had crippingly low self esteem, for as long as I can remember.

My whole life I was also painfully curious about life and spirituality. I did some inquiry. Figured out I am nothing. There is no one in here and never was.

You'd think it would be a relief. But everyone else is walking around, building this cool life, and I'm sitting here with even less personal motivation than before. I feel no love for anything. I think I am too broken to be in this world. Leo has a video for Self Love but I don't even understand how you can love a Self that doesn't even exist. Love is as foreign to me as aliens. I have lost all my lust for life (of which I never had much of, anyway).

I'm really losing hope. I don't care about anything. I would love some advice.

It sounds like you’re thinking too much. Get out of your head and do something totally different! Go for a walk or something, take up a hobby. Maybe consider seeing someone for some CBT or something or joining a self help class to improve your self esteem. Depression can make you feel like this but so can spending too much time in your own head! Go on You Tube and try some self help vids on there maybe too. 

It’s just a series of distressing thoughts, you know. It’s not real. It’s not truth! It’s a transient truth that exists in your thinking mind, which will change one day. That’s the beautiful thing about suffering. It never lasts forever. 

Anyway, why do you need to feel love right now? You don’t need to feel anything at all! All you need is motivation to eat and drink and go to work and pay your bills lol. Sometimes I sit about and feel absolutely nothing! You don’t need to be feeling all the time to be alive. Sometimes I can’t even rustle up empathy for other beings! When that happens I usually just go take a nap. It means I’m mentally exhausted. 

It’s quite nice to not be overloaded with feelings sometimes. Feelings are hard work! They take a lot of energy. 

Id hardly describe my life as cool. I sleep 12 or 16 hours a day and struggle to do basic things like have a bath! CFS/ME is a bastard.