Does hell really exist?

[dharm4]

We are love. Suffering is optional. End of thread

[Someone here]

1 minute ago, Artsu said:

You can learn about the different sins from the 10 commandments

Gotcha. 

[Frenk]

4 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

Do you think you are doing things now that are very sinful? 

No

 

5 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

And if you can humbly  repent and be forgiven then why worry about hell? 

 I am not a christian

[Artsu]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Gotcha. 

Also keep in mind that sin is more closely tied to the intention than the action.

You can kill a person without it being murder, but if you think malicious thoughts about a person, you have murdered them in your heart.

Edited August 1, 2020 by Artsu

[Nak Khid]

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Nak Khid
Do you think you are doing things now that are very sinful? 

And if you can humbly  repent and be forgiven then why worry about hell? 

16 minutes ago, Frenk said:

No

 I am not a christian

So where are you getting this concept of hell from?  Gehinnom?

[Frenk]

4 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

So where are you getting this concept of hell from?  Gehinnom?

No, mainly christian and muslim concept of hell

[Artsu]

10 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

So where are you getting this concept of hell from?  Gehinnom?

If they were Christian, they wouldn't be coming here to ask if hell exists would they? They would most likely already believe in it, and perhaps use a Christian forum for reassurance.

The concept of hell is coming from religions like Christianity, but it's not being taken as the truth. A broader opinion base is being sought.

Edited August 1, 2020 by Artsu

[Nak Khid]

14 minutes ago, Frenk said:

No, mainly christian and muslim concept of hell

So do you give heaven  the same consideration?   Or only hell ? 

[Frenk]

@Nak Khid the only problem i have is the idea of suffering for eternity in hell.

[Nak Khid]

1 minute ago, Frenk said:

@Nak Khid the only problem i have is the idea of suffering for eternity in hell.

In what model? That everybody goes to hell

or instead  that some people go to hell and others heaven? 

[Artsu]

1 minute ago, Frenk said:

@Nak Khid the only problem i have is the idea of suffering for eternity in hell.

To reiterate my point: hell is temporary, and heaven is joy for all. I have read that those with divine love will know they are immortal, whereas those without it will not. So whether you consider heaven eternal is dependent on that.

There is a heaven which is higher than heaven, and that is where the eternal division lies. Will you gain the divine love and be accepted into the celestial heavens as an angel, or will you only perfect yourself in the natural love, in the spiritual heavens?

[Frenk]

2 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

In what model? That everybody goes to hell

or instead  that some people go to hell and others heaven? 

The probability that it exists in the first place.

[Leo Gura]

Have you ever had a bad nightmare?

That's basically hell. But crank it up x1000.

Your mind can certainly dream up some horrific stuff if you let it.

[Frenk]

@Leo Gura

this is what i like to believe

shit its barely readable

Edited August 1, 2020 by Frenk

[Leo Gura]

@Frenk Stop believing shit. This work is not about belief or guess-work. This work is about direct experience of what is the case.

Belief is your greatest enemy in this work. Believe me

You cannot get Truth from any human source.

[Artsu]

That writing displays a God character speaking untruths. Is that not blasphemy?

[Frenk]

@Leo Gura yes i agree, no matter how much i twist and turn its all gonna come down to direct experience, which is what i fear the most..

[Nahm]

@Frenk

What is it which is in your direct experience right now which you are afraid of?

[remember]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Frenk Stop believing shit. This work is not about belief or guess-work. This work is about becoming direction conscious of what is the case.

Belief is your greatest enemy in this work. Believe me

You cannot get Truth from any human source.

that’s your belief and therefore untrue - why should there be truth if you don’t value it? 

that‘s exactly how people create lies and that’s how exactly people loose trustability. well ofc you already said to not believe you - so i guess truth is not part of your value system.

[Frenk]

@Nahm nothing really