Leo's 5meo experience mentioned in the health issues vid

[Vagos]

On the recent video where Leo talks about his health situation he briefly mentions a 5meo experience as the only experience that he can regard as having slightly physically hurt him. He mentions it in a sidenote fashion like it's nothing and to me that's one of the craziest experiences I have ever heard of, it is absolutely crazy. So what he describes is he felt a huge amount of energy build up inside of him that shoot out in a lightning force manner from the front of his finger tips and then the skin on the front of his fingertips was physically torn and destroyed. This is nuts. Doesn't anybody have to say anything about this? This is profound evidence of transcendence of phenomena from the 5meo world to the 3d world (even though it's really the same). This could be used to persuade a positivist scientist that is stuck in their paradigm and possibly create a scientific movement into that direction. Can we replicate experiences like that? Can we bring back physical evidence? Has anyone had a similar experience of this kind?

[Nahm]

Love can rewire ‘your’ entire brain and change how you experience ourself for the apparent duration. This is already the direction & actuality of all science. 

[Grateful Dead]

I had a very similar experience like 7 years ago when I did mdma at the end of an 3g mushroom trip with my friends.

It was such a great vibe between us and the energy was just flowing through us. First we played with energy that was floating through the room and at some point energy came out of our finger tips and then we would play with that energy.

We were 5 people and we all could see how it was happening. It was definitely a life changing experience.

Compared to leo's experience it was just much less intense.

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Vagos said:

This could be used to persuade a positivist scientist that is stuck in their paradigm and possibly create a scientific movement into that direction.

No it can't.

You will never persuade a materialist.

[AtheisticNonduality]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You will never persuade a materialist.

You did.

Yet, I still believe if I were in the room during your lightning incident, I would've seen something else as responsible for the injury, perhaps slipping and scraping over a table ledge or fingies getting caught in a bath drain.

[Vagos]

11 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

You did.

Yet, I still believe if I were in the room during your lightning incident, I would've seen something else as responsible for the injury, perhaps slipping and scraping over a table ledge or fingies getting caught in a bath drain.

But the skin on your fingertips doesnt just break apart so fast and easy. Leo's experience to me sounds like a scene from dragonball. Anyway, he is probably right though in that positivists would always find a ridiculous other explanation like Leo cheating somehow or what not

[AtheisticNonduality]

@Vagos If you were in the room with him, what would you have seen?

[Display_Name]

High dose 5-MeO be like

[Carlos MK]

21 hours ago, Vagos said:

This is profound evidence of transcendence of phenomena from the 5meo world to the 3d world

Nope, it isn't.

having recorded the rays, or analyzed the burned furniture would be.

We gotta also be careful here because usually that type of "want" is based on a materialist paradigm.

In other words, there is already profound evidence of transcendence of phenomena from the 5meo world to the 3d world: 5-meo makes you experience something, after that, you change to be a person that has experienced that 5-meo, then, you act, talk and breath as someone that have lived that experience.

Also in yet other words, this is a bit related to magical thinking, "proof of supernatural phenomena", that is also very materialistic, kind of failing to see where the actual magic is. the actual "magic" is in your experience, consciousness, reality as is, is absolutely mind-blowing, you cannot even explain how are you understanding this words, you don't even know what You actually are. electric rays out of a person's hands are irrelevant in comparison.

 

And lastly, because this get's confused:

All above is not to say that that did not happen, or was not "real", or "disprove" or anything like that. This is much above that, there is not a single thought of doubt that Leo Gura experienced that, neither there is any thought of doubt that I also experienced seeing through my own flesh. It Happened. but that would have not been your experience of things, which does not make it not real, but just not real to you, because of you were in a different state of consciousness., I hope I explain myself...

Edited August 1, 2020 by Carlos MK