The downside of semen retention no ones talks about.

[Chumbimba]

I had a wet dream last night !! The worst part is...  in the dream I was fucking cuddling with the girl and I busted  I love nofap but man that's some bullshit 

[28 cm unbuffed]

@Chumbimba

Why do you feel angry about that? 

[diamondpenguin]

On 7/29/2020 at 11:27 AM, Space said:

The first 1-2 weeks of retaining semen retention (and not watching porn) makes you feel really quite incredible.  The benefits are extremely obvious. This is no placebo from watching NoFap youtube videos. Motivation and drive is increased significantly, procrastination is barely a problem. Depression none existent, and anxiety is drastically reduced. I had the confidence to speak up in work meetings when before hand I would be too anxious to do so. Energy levels are up, almost to uncomfortable levels - I was jittery and restless at times. Sex drive sky-rocketed. Basically any young female was instantly attractive and I was thinking about sex certainly more than usual. Aside from a few small negatives, the first two weeks of semen retention are awesome.

Then the flatline hits you. No one talks about this in the 'benefits from nofap' videos. Only after you're deep into the flatline and you start researching online do you find that it's an actual thing that most, if not all, guys have to go through. Within a few days (after the initial 2 weeks) I quickly descended off the initial high. Literally nothing is interesting to me anymore. No pleasure in anything, even nice food. No motivation to exercise whatsoever. I'm usually able to get to sleep within 10-15 minutes each night, but now its 45+ minutes sometimes. My labido is literally GONE. I have no sex drive whatsoever. Porn is bland and neutral and of no interest. Based on what i've read online, this can last for months at a time, and some reporting it lasts even longer?! Apparently you're supposed to wait it out until things equalise and return back to a normal level. 

Is this a clear sign that maybe men are built to be releasing semen on a regular basis? Or is it just a detoxing process of years of excessive dopamine addiction? 

I'm interested to know if any other guys here have experienced this, and how long were you in the flatline for? 

When I do nofap I get irritable out of mind. Just holding something in for so long causes a mental flame. Nofap doesn't really exist because you'll just have a wet dream and your body will get that release in your sleep. It will definitely be a pleasant dream, but not one to be avoided.

[Danioover9000]

@Chumbimba

1 hour ago, Chumbimba said:

I had a wet dream last night !! The worst part is...  in the dream I was fucking cuddling with the girl and I busted  I love nofap but man that's some bullshit 

   I  can relate to the feeling. I've had a wet dream in the past and I couldn't remember what the dream was about, so it sort of felt like I was robbed under my feet. A bit later, during a lucid dream, I literally had sex with a woman, which became a wet dream and felt deeply satisfied.

[Danioover9000]

@28 cm unbuffed

2 hours ago, 28 cm unbuffed said:

It helps to raise your vibration, become more masculine, have more energy and motivation for sure.

You can use that energy however you fucking want if @Leo Gura prefers to use it to jerk off, it's his choice, lol.

I'm not judging, demonizing or whatever, sometimes I am too horny and just jerk off, just as sometimes I am bored and drink alcohol. Still - both of these activities are useless / are not the smartest choices you can make. 

He didn't go for his Mahasamadhi / Enlightenment / Whatever the fuck it was, because he prefered to jerk off (he told it himself in his video). Why do you still listen to him in regards to that topic? lmao

 

   This is the key right here! One of the biggest mistakes anybody can make trying out Nofap whatever mode it is, is to make the Nofap a priority. Big mistake, because you'd just sit there not trying to sexually transmute that energy into your passions, your career, your mind, your body even get's the energy to apply to working out/martial arts training, and so much more to sexually transmute energy into. I honestly will not take anyone's words seriously if you haven't given Nofap a really good go. Any justification to explain the attempt not to try it out is ego justifications. For anyone interested in this practice, try out the Nofap for 30 days, 90 days, 180 days and 365 days, hard mode or monk mode mode, and come back here and we can have a good discussion about it. Otherwise it's just excuses to try it out or excuses to not do it. Below are some lists of geniuses that have done this practice to a degree. You can find more examples.

   Swami Vivekananda was one of the very few that took this practice hard core, full sexual abstinence for 10+ years, and he achieved ridiculous feats of human intellect and physicality, despite his early death from tuberculosis. Mike Tyson is a really good example of this practice. For 5 years straight, he abstained from masturbation, sexually transmuted most of his energy into boxing, built himself up like a bull with the help of his coach and dominated most of the boxes in his prime years. However, notice when he changed his coach for a new one, allowed success to get into his head, and started messing with women, he starts to lose his edge, his stamina and struggled much more in fights, despite his bipolar disorder. Bruce Lee was another amazing example of supreme fitness and mentality, thanks to this practice which gave him that much energy to put into training like crazy that for his small frame he could lift ridiculously heavy weights and hold them out for long periods of time, while having super fast reflexes and speed. Nikola Tesla is another genius that sexually transmuted his energy into his mind and is able to design machine parts, and I mean every part of a machine, before putting it on blue print!

Edited July 31, 2020 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@Lyubov

8 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I think a lot of benefit you get from nofap can be reached through something else. I think the aspect of disciple and delaying quick gratification can be a great form of self love. Perhaps start lifting heavy weights and get into amazing shape? cut out most junk food and sugar?

   That's how to do Nofap properly, you use the energy it gives you into some passion or hobbies you have.

[28 cm unbuffed]

@Stenne

Yeah, dude, it works, listen to me!

(Fun fact - life doesn't work like that, you have to find out for yourself)

[Danioover9000]

@Stenne

On 8/1/2020 at 6:41 AM, Stenne said:

@Leo Gura So you think that Semen retention doesnt work at all? Does anybody here really have expierence whit long streaks?? I hear many men talk about it so there must be something working..

   Semen retention works only if you have a goal or desire in mind to funnel that extra energy, extra motivation and mental clarity! I've done very long streaks and can tell you it works when you put that energy to use. There are geniuses in the past that have done some form of sexual abstinence to give themselves a boost in energy. Leo isn't a leading authority on sexual abstinence or Nofap because honestly he hasn't even done the practice nor told anybody he done Nofap in the first place. He made a video about his healing journey after using 5 meo-dmt for a month, and he admitted to having a porn collection and viewing it often. His position can only have value if your are as horny as him, so any higher degree of difference in horniness isn't going to compute at all! 

   So, I'm saying it works, the question then becomes this: Would you like to verify for yourself? Spend time thinking it carefully if this is the right choice based on your current situations in life. That's all! Also, I hope you experience what I've experienced with this practice because it's amazing!

[Danioover9000]

@diamondpenguin

On 7/31/2020 at 8:03 PM, diamondpenguin said:

When I do nofap I get irritable out of mind. Just holding something in for so long causes a mental flame. Nofap doesn't really exist because you'll just have a wet dream and your body will get that release in your sleep. It will definitely be a pleasant dream, but not one to be avoided.

   This is why you must do some form of yoga and/or chi gong, or meditation, to calm yourself down! Meditation, yoga and chi gong are like yin aspects of the Tao. Follow these yin-activities with exercises like calisthenics, weight lifting, cardio, isometrics, martial arts or anything that funnels some built-up tension in your mind into yang aspects.

   About wet dreams, sometimes they occur if you allow the mind to wonder around sexual ideas. They really don't occur frequently, normally wet dreams happen once a month or twice a month. Any higher frequency is because the mind wonderings. 

[Danioover9000]

@Consilience

On 7/31/2020 at 0:55 AM, Consilience said:

Currently on day 27 of no fap, or somewhere around there. Yeah the energy increases I've received are fucking absurd. I've actually spent this last week over working on my Life Purpose to the point where I sacrificed sleep and other healthy behaviors just so I could work longer. It felt manic. 

I'm not really sure if no fap is the healthiest thing long term, it feels unbalanced. I think a balanced release schedule like once every week or two would be ideal. Still not sure. 

Porn on the other hand.... Yeah that shit is just poison for the mind. 

   Good on you for quitting porn! The sleep issue could be resolved by doing work outs more closer to the late afternoon. That way the exhaustion can be beneficial for sleep. Doing yoga, chi-gong, meditation and sleep meditation helps too. 

[Danioover9000]

@Harikrishnan

On 7/31/2020 at 11:12 AM, Harikrishnan said:

@Leo Gura so does that mean the whole sending the sexual energy to head  through spine and then to stomach by not ejaculating according to matrak chia is wrong. 

   It isn't wrong, it's energetic really. If you haven't researched and done enough chi-gong, or microcosmic chi orbit meditation, or studied the chi meridian system, then it won't make sense. Leo is interpreting semen retention as biological, not energetic/spiritual. Best thing to do is to do your own research and practice.

[Danioover9000]

@Girzo

On 7/31/2020 at 6:38 PM, Girzo said:

@eggopm3 nope. I never had an ejaculation at night when refraining from masturbation.

   That's great! I assume you're on Nofap monk mode?

[Danioover9000]

@FlowerNote

On 7/30/2020 at 10:35 AM, FlowerNote said:

@Leo Gura I don’t think you appreciate how bad porn & masturbation addiction can be. To the point where you literally dont have interest in sex anymore. You are horny af but only for porn. This feels super backwards and not human. I would look at a girls ass and be aroused but know that I would not be able to get hard with her in bed.

I had it so bad where my mind was literally making the physical world seem virtual, because sex is the most important thing in our physical experience, and my mind was linking sex with virtuality. This went away when I stopped porn.

Knowing you are physically incapable of sex drains your lust for life heavily.

I know its quite a hefty example but its a slippery slope. Porn is literally like drugs, as in it simulates the rewards we should get from survival activity but then a 100 times more. We are not evolved for this at all. 

   I hope you can recover from this. Pornography can be abused easily.

[Danioover9000]

@Kalki Avatar

On 7/30/2020 at 1:36 AM, Kalki Avatar said:

@Space The max ive gone no fap is 3 months. That thing they call flatline is actually just stabilizing your sexuality and calming it down into normality. Ive gone to the point I dont even want to touch my dick, lmao. But, Its not that you are loosing sex drive. In that mode you are alot more able to have success socializing with girls with out a horny neediness. You will get turned on and wet very fast if a girl starts flirting and fore playing with you because at that moment you dont remember how sexual pleasure feels, thus your imagination gets activated wondering and making the process more enjoyable. 

If you dont fap, your mind and body will find the way to expulse that milk, so dont worry. Either through a wet dream or an astral bitch. 

 

   That's good. I've found that too much mind wondering over sexual ideas, if they are that vivid, can easily lead into having blue balls, which could also trigger flatlines or could occur during flatlines. The experience can be painful, and could lead to strangely enough feelings of defeat, loneliness and depression, especially when faced with the possibility of intentionally jerking off to release some of that tension. If you don't have enough letting go or meditation experience, you won't likely survive through the experience.

[Danioover9000]

@Arthur

On 7/30/2020 at 3:13 PM, Arthur said:

I think it's the latter. Its an ego backlash because you're restraining yourself too much.  When I tried nofap, the benefits just continued to compound throughout the month. Even after the 30days, they persisted.

Either take a break from nofap and try again later, or distract yourself from the fact that you are doing it all together. It works great if you have a project or a goal to achieve. You can channel the energy and get a lot accomplished. Also when you're busy, the mind won't come up with all that negative crap. If you don't have a work project, physical exercises every day do the trick.

    This.

[Kalki Avatar]

@Stenne  It does works. Test it yourself by faping 5 days straight. Then go no fap for 1 month.

Even an enlightened being once told me the benefits about not fapping, so i guess its good. 

@Chumbimba Bruhh. Hahah. I feel you. Having a wet dream after such effort is frustrating. At least it feels very real and satisfying. The bad thing is the mess. 

[Rigel]

On 2020-07-31 at 1:11 PM, eggopm3 said:

Don't you just start having "wet dreams" / "nocturnal emissions" on a regular basis if you dont ejaculate for a long time?

Yeah 

[Evil Raccoon]

On 7/30/2020 at 4:51 AM, Leo Gura said:

If you guys spent as much time self-inquiring as you do trying to suppress and battle your sexuality, you'd be awake by now

Oh cuz you don't think not rotting your brain with porn wouldn't help with spirituality? 

[Evil Raccoon]

On 7/30/2020 at 2:17 PM, Leo Gura said:

Speak for yourself.

I've never once felt bad from jerking off.

How's that even possible?? You're the ONLY person I know that doesn't get negatively affected by porn then.

[Call Me Whatever]

This thread has inspired me to do a no-fap for the first time. 

90 days starts... now.