The downside of semen retention no ones talks about.

[FlowerNote]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Speak for yourself.

Porn is just the appetizer

I've never once felt bad from jerking off.

Lol, who else would i be speaking for. Its just that i think your case of having zero problems with porn is getting rarer and rarer.

[WaveInTheOcean]

i honestly don't see a problem with jerking off a few times every week. as long as you don't get attached to it (attached to me would be regularly doing it more than once a day). It's relaxing and helps your mind calm down from work or whatever stresses you. 

[WaveInTheOcean]

23 hours ago, Space said:

The first 1-2 weeks of retaining semen retention (and not watching porn) makes you feel really quite incredible.  The benefits are extremely obvious. This is no placebo from watching NoFap youtube videos. Motivation and drive is increased significantly, procrastination is barely a problem. Depression none existent, and anxiety is drastically reduced. I had the confidence to speak up in work meetings when before hand I would be too anxious to do so. Energy levels are up, almost to uncomfortable levels - I was jittery and restless at times. Sex drive sky-rocketed. Basically any young female was instantly attractive and I was thinking about sex certainly more than usual. Aside from a few small negatives, the first two weeks of semen retention are awesome.

Then the flatline hits you. No one talks about this in the 'benefits from nofap' videos. Only after you're deep into the flatline and you start researching online do you find that it's an actual thing that most, if not all, guys have to go through. Within a few days (after the initial 2 weeks) I quickly descended off the initial high. Literally nothing is interesting to me anymore. No pleasure in anything, even nice food. No motivation to exercise whatsoever. I'm usually able to get to sleep within 10-15 minutes each night, but now its 45+ minutes sometimes. My labido is literally GONE. I have no sex drive whatsoever. Porn is bland and neutral and of no interest. Based on what i've read online, this can last for months at a time, and some reporting it lasts even longer?! Apparently you're supposed to wait it out until things equalise and return back to a normal level. 

Is this a clear sign that maybe men are built to be releasing semen on a regular basis? Or is it just a detoxing process of years of excessive dopamine addiction? 

I'm interested to know if any other guys here have experienced this, and how long were you in the flatline for? 

but I gotta say, based on what you say here, it sounds like the optimal should be having sex/jerking off 0,5-1 times / week , haha

why dont you just do semen retention intermittently for 1-2 weeks and then jerk off to reset? sounds optimal to me.

This nofap thing for months is in my mind just an egoic game of trying to achieve something that's "hard" , and the "kick" people report of this is just the kick anyone would get from setting up goals and following through on them;)

Edited July 30, 2020 by WaveInTheOcean

[Space]

1 hour ago, WaveInTheOcean said:

but I gotta say, based on what you say here, it sounds like the optimal should be having sex/jerking off 0,5-1 times / week , haha

why dont you just do semen retention intermittently for 1-2 weeks and then jerk off to reset? sounds optimal to me.

This nofap thing for months is in my mind just an egoic game of trying to achieve something that's "hard" , and the "kick" people report of this is just the kick anyone would get from setting up goals and following through on them;)

Yes I will probably end up doing that at some point. It's not like i'm never gonna ejaculate for the rest of my life, particularly if I get into a relationship .

I'm just going for as long as possible at the moment as an experiment to see what the effects are. It's not that deep mate. I don't see it as something that's hard or difficult - it's actually been quite easy and stress free for me.

I don't keep count of how many days i've gone, and I haven't told anyone i'm doing it other than on this post. So I ain't trying to impress anyone.

I like experimenting with new techniques related to body and health, and this is just one of many i've tried. 

Thanks for your post, I appreciate your perspective.

[Dryas]

All this 'energy' and 'motivation' is not comparable to the happy brain chemicals I get from masturbation. 

[Danioover9000]

@Space

On 7/29/2020 at 7:27 PM, Space said:

The first 1-2 weeks of retaining semen retention (and not watching porn) makes you feel really quite incredible.  The benefits are extremely obvious. This is no placebo from watching NoFap youtube videos. Motivation and drive is increased significantly, procrastination is barely a problem. Depression none existent, and anxiety is drastically reduced. I had the confidence to speak up in work meetings when before hand I would be too anxious to do so. Energy levels are up, almost to uncomfortable levels - I was jittery and restless at times. Sex drive sky-rocketed. Basically any young female was instantly attractive and I was thinking about sex certainly more than usual. Aside from a few small negatives, the first two weeks of semen retention are awesome.

Then the flatline hits you. No one talks about this in the 'benefits from nofap' videos. Only after you're deep into the flatline and you start researching online do you find that it's an actual thing that most, if not all, guys have to go through. Within a few days (after the initial 2 weeks) I quickly descended off the initial high. Literally nothing is interesting to me anymore. No pleasure in anything, even nice food. No motivation to exercise whatsoever. I'm usually able to get to sleep within 10-15 minutes each night, but now its 45+ minutes sometimes. My labido is literally GONE. I have no sex drive whatsoever. Porn is bland and neutral and of no interest. Based on what i've read online, this can last for months at a time, and some reporting it lasts even longer?! Apparently you're supposed to wait it out until things equalise and return back to a normal level. 

Is this a clear sign that maybe men are built to be releasing semen on a regular basis? Or is it just a detoxing process of years of excessive dopamine addiction? 

I'm interested to know if any other guys here have experienced this, and how long were you in the flatline for? 

   First of all, congrates on trying out the Nofap challenge! I've done a few 90+ day challenges and I say it's worth it for most average people to push it to around 30-90 days.

   The first 1-2 weeks I've experienced the following: A huge increase in energy, so much that when I was doing body weight exercises, I'd be doing more push-ups, pull-ups with more intensity and volume, and I ran for an hour when my limit is 20-30 mins. Even tiring myself out still didn't effect my energy late at night. My brain fog significantly lifted from abstain from porn, slightly more than meditation, and I'm able to think more clearly and articulate my opinions to family, friends and people. My anxiety around people in general decreased and feelings of confidence occur more often whenever I socialize or visualize on things. I felt more positive moods than  normal and felt less depressed and lazy. I used to watch porn videos, read both porn comics and erotica, fapped to my imaginations and women, and nothing could compare to the horniness I felt in those 1-2 weeks, especially week 3, than the horniness I felt in the past. If I wasn't meditating and doing some forms of hatha yoga and chi gong, I would be more aggressive than normal. Also, my E.D became a non issue, and had some morning woods more often. My ability to concentrate and meditate went more smoothly, that it almost felt effortless. I felt a strange sensation around my forehead and emotions carry some form of energy. 

   Around the fourth and fifth week was when the flatline occurred.  Depression, laziness and strong indifference to people sets in, along with a slight drop in energy and libido. The difference for me here was that I felt a good sense of peace from my horniness. I think flatlines have their value and are probably detoxing effects to the body and mind. If you know what to do during flatlines, I think you'd be fine. In fact, I meditate, contemplate and self-inquire more intensely. Some of my flatlines last anywhere from a week to a month, depending on the degree of energy increased, and the best thing about flatlines is they get shorter over time, in relation to your porn/sex addiction.

   

[Danioover9000]

@Dryas

2 hours ago, Dryas said:

All this 'energy' and 'motivation' is not comparable to the happy brain chemicals I get from masturbation. 

   It's worth giving Nofap a try. From 90 days to 30 days, even if it's for 2 weeks, it feels amazing. Also, if you do relapse, which I guarantee will happen frequently, the masturbation and orgasm you'll feel is incomparable to the masturbation any average guys does for a day or multiple times a day. I've fapped many times a day to different types of porn, had real sex with women, but sorry, nothing compares to releasing sexual energy, either a relapse or when the release is intentional, the orgasm is far more amazing!

Edited July 30, 2020 by Danioover9000
Typo...

[Consilience]

Currently on day 27 of no fap, or somewhere around there. Yeah the energy increases I've received are fucking absurd. I've actually spent this last week over working on my Life Purpose to the point where I sacrificed sleep and other healthy behaviors just so I could work longer. It felt manic. 

I'm not really sure if no fap is the healthiest thing long term, it feels unbalanced. I think a balanced release schedule like once every week or two would be ideal. Still not sure. 

Porn on the other hand.... Yeah that shit is just poison for the mind. 

[Dryas]

3 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Dryas

   It's worth giving Nofap a try. From 90 days to 30 days, even if it's for 2 weeks, it feels amazing. Also, if you do relapse, which I guarantee will happen frequently, the masturbation and orgasm you'll feel is incomparable to the masturbation any average guys does for a day or multiple times a day. I've fapped many times a day to different types of porn, had real sex with women, but sorry, nothing compares to releasing sexual energy, either a relapse or when the release is intentional, the orgasm is far more amazing!

Well, I can’t really do it more than once a day and I don’t do it daily so I don’t really ever see a decline in the quality of my orgasm lol. 
If I am to weigh an overall better mood vs pleasure from masturbation, I’ll have to pick the latter every time. I just can’t see the point of putting myself through the hell of nofap especially if I’m able to do it in moderation. Maybe some time in the future, but as of now masturbation is almost a sacred ritual for me, nothing less than a gift from God lol
 

[WaveInTheOcean]

Okay, I'm trying two weeks ( at least), from today. Will report back in two weeks

[Leo Gura]

You do understand that sperm is not retained by the body. It is peed out if it goes unused and new sperm is constantly being produced whether you ejaculate or not.

[herghly]

check out sexual kung fu on youtube

[Habi27]

i did nofap for around 3 years i guess. I had some 90 day streaks, but the longest I went was 568 days and I would strongly advise not to go this far. I wasted these 568 trying to battle my sexuality and so on instead of socializing more with girls, especially.

I guess the only thing I can say is NoFap is overhyped. All the benefits are overhyped in my opinion; I didn't get them. Didn't work for me. The only thing it helped me with is restore my libido, so I was horny all the time. I quit because wet dreams were getting on my nerves. 

On 7/30/2020 at 10:04 AM, shahar uriel said:

Bro just quit porn and ejaculate every 2-4 weeks. Its more balanced, and you will probably get all the benefits. 

And learn to enjoy masturbation/ sex without ejaculating

Basically, what he said is optimal (for me at least). Don't overdo NoFap. We are sexual beings. Not celibates or brahmacharis by nature.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Habi27

[allislove]

@Space

Quite some time ago when I was in university in the first years of study I tried NoFap for half a year or more. I think it was around 10 years ago. As you described, in the beginning, it was really cool. You feel confident, your voice is stronger, you feel good. 

After around 4-5 months I started to realize that I am becoming not interested in sex at all. Like, usually when I talk to a beautiful girl there was an impulse to fuck her, at least in my imagination, but now it's gone. I talked to a beautiful girl just like her friend. That was quite scary for me. I asked the question: 'Do I really want to be a "vegetable"?'. After this experiential realization, I tried different approaches regarding masturbation. Now I can say that I have built a healthy relationship with masturbation. I know that body needs it and I don't want to suppress anything. I am not blaming myself for masturbation anymore. I don't see this as a problem at all. So, I masturbate once a day, once a week, once a month, depending on the current situation. If I have a regular sexual partner the desire to masturbate fades completely, naturally.

 

[Harikrishnan]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You do understand that sperm is not retained by the body. It is peed out if it goes unused and new sperm is constantly being produced whether you ejaculate or not.

@Leo Gura so does that mean the whole sending the sexual energy to head  through spine and then to stomach by not ejaculating according to matrak chia is wrong. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Harikrishnan

[Lyubov]

I think a lot of benefit you get from nofap can be reached through something else. I think the aspect of disciple and delaying quick gratification can be a great form of self love. Perhaps start lifting heavy weights and get into amazing shape? cut out most junk food and sugar?

Edited July 31, 2020 by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Harikrishnan said:

@Leo Gura so does that mean the whole sending the sexual energy to head  through spine and then to stomach by not ejaculating according to matrak chia is wrong. 

No

But you are not saving that sperm. It's getting produced regardless.

[eggopm3]

Don't you just start having "wet dreams" / "nocturnal emissions" on a regular basis if you dont ejaculate for a long time?

[Girzo]

@eggopm3 nope. I never had an ejaculation at night when refraining from masturbation.

[28 cm unbuffed]

It helps to raise your vibration, become more masculine, have more energy and motivation for sure.

You can use that energy however you fucking want if @Leo Gura prefers to use it to jerk off, it's his choice, lol.

I'm not judging, demonizing or whatever, sometimes I am too horny and just jerk off, just as sometimes I am bored and drink alcohol. Still - both of these activities are useless / are not the smartest choices you can make. 

He didn't go for his Mahasamadhi / Enlightenment / Whatever the fuck it was, because he prefered to jerk off (he told it himself in his video). Why do you still listen to him in regards to that topic? lmao

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by 28 cm unbuffed