An argument against the Portland Protests

[Forestluv]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But in the end, when peace fails, people will resort to violence -- as has been the case in all mob-led revolutions throughout history.

Peaceful protests are a relatively recent innovation of the 20th century. Mobs weren't so kind for much of human history.

After years of peaceful suffragist protests, elements of violence emerged. Multiple suffrage societies formed across the country during the Victorian era, all fighting in different ways to convince the government that women deserved the right to vote. In 1903 a new society emerged in the UK: the WSPU, or Women’s Social and Political Movement, headed by the enigmatic Pankhurst family.

In 1913 Christabel Pankhurst wrote:

“If men use explosives and bombs for their own purpose they call it war, and the throwing of a bomb that destroys other people is then described as a glorious and heroic deed. Why should a woman not make use of the same weapons as men. It is not only war we have declared. We are fighting for a revolution!’ 

The WSPU women put the current violent protestors to shame. The WSPU used bombs and arson to destroy buildings. Yet they also had a Green twist: The Pankhursts were staunch advocates for human and animal rights. Christabel said that if there was a cat or canary in the house, leave it be. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Folks so easily forget that Green is not above violence. Green will definitely use violence when it feels cornered, in the name of justice for the oppressed.

Green is not Jesus constantly turning the other cheek.

[Nak Khid]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Folks so easily forget that Green is not above violence. Green will definitely use violence when it feels cornered, in the name of justice for the oppressed.

Green is not Jesus constantly turning the other cheek.

What about yellow ?

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

What about yellow ?

Yellow is not likely to take part in any mob movement. Yellow will probably just sit in his ivory tower and observe the mob from afar.

[Forestluv]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yellow is not likely to take part in any mob movement. Yellow will probably just sit in his ivory tower and observe the mob from afar.

What about supporting a movement through other means, such as creating educational videos?

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Forestluv said:

What about supporting a movement through other means, such as creating educational videos?

Of course. That's what I mean by ivory tower.

[Nak Khid]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I didn't assume.

I said that when there are massive peaceful protests there will necessarily also be violent elements and movements.

But in the end, when peace fails, people will resort to violence -- as has been the case in all mob-led revolutions throughout history.

Peaceful protests are a relatively recent innovation of the 20th century. Mobs weren't so kind for much of human history.

Would a spiritual person condone a mob action using physical confrontation whilst not getting their hands dirty? 

[Akemrelax]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yellow is not likely to take part in any mob movement. Yellow will probably just sit in his ivory tower and observe the mob from afar.

What stage was Gandhi?

Didn’t Sri Aurobindo get arrested protesting the British rule?

Edited July 29, 2020 by Akemrelax

[Leo Gura]

36 minutes ago, Akemrelax said:

What stage was Gandhi?

I'd say Gandhi was an usually healthy manifestation of Blue. Some Blue become very righteous and pursue integrity as their whole life purpose. Like Mother Theresa

[Kross]

@Leo Gura Gandhi wasn't turquoise ?

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Kross said:

@Leo Gura Gandhi wasn't turquoise ?

Nah

[Akemrelax]

@Leo Gura With all the talk about ambiguity, requisite variety and your knowledge about philosophy, aren’t you attacking an overly simplistic idea of stoicism in your recent blog post?

The advice of “feelings over facts” is potentially dangerous. It has a high chance of being misinterpreted. Actually, if many people took that advice they would be voting for fascism and be extremely racist, sexist, and hateful. People can go to emotional extremes and act on their emotions. I find there is not that much difference between thoughts and emotions, they are connected. Behind every emotion is a judgement that’s propagating it. 

You should rather promote looking at the “facts” or “actuality” without judgement, like the Buddhists and the original Stoics.

[Leo Gura]

@Akemrelax Well, it seems like you're interpreting what I said in an exaggerated or simplistic way.

That post about ambiguity was just a single piece of advice. You don't go building your entire life upon it. It's one piece of a giant puzzle.

Obviously I'm not telling you to disregard basic facts.

[remember]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'd say Gandhi was an usually healthy manifestation of Blue. Some Blue become very righteous and pursue integrity as their whole life purpose. Like Mother Theresa

don’t underestimate that turquoise contains healthy blue and transcends blue. without knowing extremely much about his biography, but for his time he probably was... at least during his best times. turquoise says much more about compassion and way of creation and influencing than it says about the structure in which a person is operating within. like mother theresa. 

if someone is in a contrast to the colour they are operating within, its usually a hint for a different colour. black and white thinking is def blue. fear based thinking mhh, either beige or blue or orange - sometimes red.

if someone is red, ofc they‘d use everything they get in their hands in a red way to support their reddishness. its a question of their base energy.

if someones survival in beige is threatened i guess they have more reason to protest than if survival in red is threatened by counter red which is basically contrasting green as a complimentary colour.

Edited July 29, 2020 by remember