Afghanistan War Exposed

[Leo Gura]

Good work by Abby Martin.

 

[Roy]

All those poor innocent people caught up in all this mess too.... fuuuuck.

It's hard to imagine where many countries in the world would be right now if not for interference from greedy empires and competing superpowers.

I've watched a lot of travel vlogs on Afghanistan. There is a beautiful country with amazing people, and an incredible landscape under all this chaos and suffering, but we never get to hear about it because of our corrupt news sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MX1zPRsJvY

[Zak]

I am surprised why she didn't even mention Pakistan? A canduit for Mujahideen and Taliban. A good chunk of Suicide boomers come trained by Pakistan. It's a proxy war.

A big part of the reason why Afghanistan has been suffering from many decades is because of the people themselves. Very iliterate, emotional and power thirsty. We don't let anyone rule us, yet never want to be united among ourselves. There always has been tribe wars between us. Afghanistan has a rich history, but how come we never established as a country? Because of our own people. Fund our leaders, they can literally do anything to disserve the country. And the good people get shot.

The situation now is far worse than anytime with this "double headed" presidency.

Looking at people's mentality, I don't think it's going to end soon.

[Roy]

3 minutes ago, Zak said:

Afghanistan has a rich history, but how come we never established as a country?

British occupation and control for nearly 100 years, buffer state conflict between them and Russian empire, then Soviet-NATO proxy wars for the last 50 years.

Afghanistan never got the chance to settle and establish itself as a country.

[Zak]

@Roy I am talking history here. Even if we look back to the times of the founding fathers of Afghanistan Ahmed Shah Abdali who invaded India and controlled many neighbouring countries. And even before him. At his time we had everything and at that time Afghanistan was a super power in Asia? What happened? His children ruined everything and laid the foundation of war. They divided the country between themselves.

Yeah I somehow agree.

Religion as well in Afghanistan played a very significant role. Foreign countries took a very good advantage of it and it worked for them. I am not demonizing the religion, but people's understanding of it.

[Parththakkar12]

39 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

America has is battle ships on the South China Sea and repeatedly violates Chinese air space, imagine if China had its' ships off the coast of California and violated U.S. airspace, how kindly would the U.S. take that?

Hail the Great Emperor Donald Trump! He's going out there and conquering Chy-na!! (I'm sure this is what Trump thinks about this lol)

He's wielding his power exactly like a Stage Red tyrant/dictator would.

[Yog]

This is just a bit "geographically" off-topic. But it fits the narrative.

Its 2 long documentaries about the fall of Yugoslavia, the US, space programs, socialism, debt, the CIA, declassified documents ect.... its quite a sad story..

You might like these, especially if you live in the Balkan mess.
 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2020 by Yog

[Milos Uzelac]

@Yog Appreciate sharing this here since I live in this region. Though embarrassingly for myself I have only just couple of weeks ago watched the first documentary he did on the geopolitical background of the partition of the central republics of Fmr. Yugoslavia and the subsequent Kosovo War and NATO Intervention. 

My only criticisms of the first documentary as he displayed and made it available to a foreign audiences as well is the somewhat bias of exclusively fingerpointing the machinations of the outside big powers on which the federation was somewhat dependant on economicly while just side covering the dysfunctionality of the internal politics, the arrogance (e.g. rejecting an offer for Yugoslavia being economicly viable of joining the then European Economic Community (before it became a monetary union) in the 1990s right before the collapse and separation of the main states, which I think isn't mentioned in the first documentary) and lack of historical perspective at the time of the Communist aparatchicks and ruling nomenclatura in all of the republics and the fragility and some unpleasant historical facts swept under the rug, deliberately distorted and ignored for the purpose of keeping the cultural bonds intact that kept this alliance of peoples afloat.

A lot of blue thinking inside the country at the time of a surge of orange consciousness -based politics is my generalised assessment of why the Civil War went so badly and haywire as it did in the FSRY. 

And the author of these documentaries Boris Malagurski has cultivated I think this sorta of disempowering and unhelpful exclusivistic anti-globalization conspiritorial and fingerpointing outside at the world superpower for all the miseries that behested the former republics afterwards attitude amongst his domestic audiences, as I have shortly inferred by knowing and speaking with some of them and thus obfuscating them of the responsibilities for being critical, where it is due, at the actions their own countries are performing now, and that they themselves and their fellow countryman by stubbornly holding to some fairytale and feel-good beliefs and actions that are helping accumulate and reproduce some of the problems that are still setting them back and which are of their own doing. 

A paraphrase quote from a domestic social historian of the region: "Our people here have a self-destructive collective mentality tendency and value system in which one of the central tennets is paradoxically,is of proving your pride and worth to your communities by your ability to stubbornly and consistently, without stopping, hit the same tree with your head over and over again, even if its the wrong one - metaphorically speaking. "

Edited July 24, 2020 by Milos Uzelac

[Scholar]

This is what happens when there are no consequences. The american citizens fail to face their own responsibility and you will have to suffer the consequences. When you let the wolves rule you don't be surprised when they turn their teeth on you some day.

 

We are at a stage in human evolution in which any selfishness will only be addressed if the self faces consequences. People will not stop exploiting others until they get heart disease, until the oceans start to rise, until their children are killed in school shootings. Their lack of empathy will be punished in the only way they have yet come to understand.

 

Humanity without empathy can only change through suffering, and thankfully nature is very good at making us suffer for our ignorance and apathy. To understand suffering means to understand your place in this world, your contribution towards the evolution of this world.

 

God makes you suffer precisely because he loves you so much.

Edited July 24, 2020 by Scholar

[Zak]

8 minutes ago, Scholar said:

God makes you suffer precisely because he loves you so much.

Golden statement

[Milos Uzelac]

3 hours ago, Scholar said:

This is what happens when there are no consequences. The american citizens fail to face their own responsibility and you will have to suffer the consequences. When you let the wolves rule you don't be surprised when they turn their teeth on you some day.

We are at a stage in human evolution in which any selfishness will only be addressed if the self faces consequences. 

This encompass much more than American citizens, it encompasses all other people, national governments and common supranational entities (e.g. the U.N., IMF, World Bank) that depend, to a more or less extent, and thrive on the current international commercial system upholded and enforced by the vast U.S. military apparatus and the most successful and largest U.S. based transnational companies and that ship and export their finished products and raw materials that our sold and bought on the markets of these developed or developing countries and the American banks and other large multinational banks which supply the countries with loans and credits, that exactly originate from the slavish labour in these places were there is this vast suffering, anger, misery and raw survival each day that are bareback exploited labour for raw materials and crop necessities for the product richness and diversity that we have and for privelleged market opportunities.

Even in my country I think there will be suffering as our taxpayer funded government budget is being set aside to purchase weapons and/or military hardware, subsidize weapons factories that sell missiles, rifles and bombs produced here to the Saudis that were /are still used up to this time to exterminate and maim Yemenis civilians and children (and/or on the  fact that it was uncovered tha our  former minister of internal affairs (now ironically of defense) who was voted into office had stakes in one of these private military hardware companies and weapons factories via his father and was therefore had a conflict of interest in administering government spending and was individually stimulated to encourage these weapons sale deals with these countries). This is but one prominent example. 

And when news of it got published and broke here publicly (even the fact that some of the weapons and hardware produced by these companies and factories went and were sold to the Ukrainian government for the purpose of being shipped to the areas engulfed in the Civil War raging in it's eastern regions) after a swift outrage the mood went to being callous and complacent for the majority and including me, no public action was taken and/or protested about it, it was shrugged off and people moved one and waited for another thing regarding the narrow frame of happening within the borders of this and/or bordering this country to be outraged about at their government officials. 

And the wheel of karma encompasses us all at the end of the day. 

Edited July 25, 2020 by Milos Uzelac

[Heart of Space]

I revert back to stage brown in spiral dynamics every time Abby Martin is on the screen if you know what I'm sayin'

[Lyubov]

this was the country before foreign influences. in order for the country to defend itself it had to coalesce around authoritarian and fundamentalist values.

Edited July 25, 2020 by Lyubov

[Annoynymous]

I think there is no one way of seeing this problem. A lot of things are at play here.

I think Afghanistan is the most poorest and backward country in asia. Redeeming it's soul will not be an easy task. So the question is, can we blame them for it? 

The answer would be both yes and no.

No, because US did a lot of dirty work which destroyed the country to the point we are seeing it today,  and it is horrible.

Yes, because most afghan  people are genuinely low conscious. I don't totally agree with the point that US is the only responsible party behind the growth of religious extremism and Taliban. Remember, for a seed to grow, you need a very good land and favourable climate. This is how Afghan people  contributed to the problem, by providing their support for Taliban. They were too gullible and low conscious to buy medieval ideas  from religious extremists.

[Zak]

2 minutes ago, Annoynymous said:

They were too gullible and low conscious to buy medieval ideas  from religious extremists.

The problem goes back to the founding generations of the country.

[Annoynymous]

@Zak I have heard about ahmad shah abdali and the second war of panipath. There is a fictional historical drama written by one of the famous writers in my country, where i had learnt about him a little bit although i don't know how accurate the knowledge was.

[Zak]

14 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

 

What about the guy at the back sitting staring at them? They still have this thirst mentality.

I am not bashing.

I am living at what used to be called the center of Talibans in Afghanistan. I rarely go out because of the people of my area. Still till this day when I go out people keep staring at me and keeps talking at my back because of my look and my family background (My fam is not conservative).

Edited July 25, 2020 by Zak

[Zak]

@Annoynymous Cool. Where are you from btw?

And also there is an Indian movie made about Panipat where he invades some tribe in India and win the battle.

That's where the collapse of Afghanistan starts. Just right after his death. 

[Lyubov]

12 minutes ago, Zak said:

What about the guy at the back sitting staring at them? They still have this thirst mentality.

I am not bashing.

I am living at what used to be called the center of Talibans in Afghanistan. I rarely go out because of the people of my area. Still till this day when I go out people keep staring at me and keeps talking at my back because of my look and my family background (My fam is not conservative).

well to be fair guys do this basically everywhere. guys are always looking at girls even here in the US. 

[Zak]

Just now, Lyubov said:

well to be fair guys do this basically everywhere. guys are always looking at girls even here in the US. 

True.

Truth here is, most of the times guys here stare at guys. That's the difference.