Have you fully integrated stage orange if you are not financially indepenent?

[PukkaDanks]

You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent.

Financial independence means:

• Not a wage slave
• Have at least enough cash to support you for the next 5 or so years without requiring you to work
• Any cash that you do make is a by-product of living out your purpose, you never need to work for money

Other thoughts

• Realistically this is 0.01% of the population (at least those under 30)
• Generally people try to move through orange too quickly, not grasping the significance of true financial freedom, and not playing the stage orange game

Discuss

[mandyjw]

You'll never fully integrate any of the stages. Plenty of people who are already financially independent are still stuck in orange because of the fear of financial insecurity, or insecurity in general. It's based on one's own psychology and the neurosises, fears and beliefs they have. Transcending is much more of an inner, subtle immeasurable shift than just the external situation. For one going FI could be necessary, for another it could be giving away their savings. You never know what's right for another. There are no rules or directions to follow. 

 

[TrustTheProcess]

56 minutes ago, PukkaDanks said:

You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent.

Financial independence means:

• Not a wage slave
• Have at least enough cash to support you for the next 5 or so years without requiring you to work
• Any cash that you do make is a by-product of living out your purpose, you never need to work for money

Other thoughts

• Realistically this is 0.01% of the population (at least those under 30)
• Generally people try to move through orange too quickly, not grasping the significance of true financial freedom, and not playing the stage orange game

Discuss

I think that enough financial stability has potential to make people see the limitations of success and status. My dad has recently grown into green because of this actually.

That said, I know many heavily green college kids who are far from financially independent and have not fully integrated orange. Of course, this often manifests in an unhealthy orange shadow and skewed, toxic world views, but it is possible nonetheless. I def think green is probably healthiest and most stable/immune to regression when it is built on a foundation of healthy orange. 

Edited July 23, 2020 by louhad

[PukkaDanks]

Interesting thoughts, perhaps you are correct that the limitations can be realised far before complete financial freedom is obtained.

[Username]

I started evolving into second tier just before my 20s. It didn't help me financially because it made me lose my drive for a "success". I rememer that as a kid I had a desire to work and earn money but I wasn't able to do an that. Now my work ethic is screwed :?

[Carl-Richard]

44 minutes ago, Username said:

I started evolving into second tier just before my 20s. It didn't help me financially because it made me lose my drive for a "success". I rememer that as a kid I had a desire to work and earn money but I wasn't able to do an that. Now my work ethic is screwed :?

That just means you haven't integrated those aspects of yourself properly,

[Manusia]

In my experience in my success in photography competition (18), I won almost every competition I joined and before I became neurotic about success I got feeling that this is just hollow. All my trophy feel super hollow literally. Its not aligned with my highest value even I have huge passion photography so much. I just feel it didnt make me happy anymore to win any competition.  And in that turning point I dont care anymore about achievement, my skill in photography doesnt really improve cz in the competition game there is 'copy paste rules' to win the game, especially in my country that photography 'need to be like this'. I have lost so much feeling in art and I cannot feel happy when taking pictures cz all I do is just repeat the same pattern, not express what I want to shoot. After that time I not doing photography that much and I leaning towards demonizing ppl that doing photography just to make them cool and famous, not for feelings. Wasting lot of my time I realize. 

I dunno man after watching lot of leo videos I started my photography hobby again, maybe now I leaning to some yellow value.

 

7 hours ago, PukkaDanks said:

 

You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent.

 

I think buy and apply leo life purpose course can help us to integrate orange values to our life in yellow manner. 

[Artsu]

You can be way more developed overall than orange, but i think it is difficult to overcome orange completely while still dependent on income.

I aim to overcome orange when i retire.

[supremeyingyang]

On 7/23/2020 at 5:48 PM, PukkaDanks said:

You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent.

Yes. I knew a tTurqouise style dude with a huge Blue, Orange and Yellow Shadow which basically meant that he meditated all day long, took psychedelics until they kicked him out of university, his flat and he disturbed his friends. Last time I saw him he was more drug addict than everything else, stealing from Green Trailerpark Hippies (we have a lot of that here in Germany).

This is a extreme example of my experience. But if you are so developed , but unable to get money you'll see yourself in some serious trouble to pay rent, which will destroy you from the inside. I saw talented people lose trust in themself and work in deadend jobs.. That's a very serious trap, for example for our Zoomers here

3 hours ago, Artsu said:

You can be way more developed overall than orange, but i think it is difficult to overcome orange completely while still dependent on income.

I aim to overcome orange when i retire.

Which is like to say I'll have fun and do what I want after I retire. What makes you sure that you make it that far? Why shouldn't your life be better in Green and beyond?

On 7/23/2020 at 11:37 PM, Username said:

I started evolving into second tier just before my 20s. It didn't help me financially because it made me lose my drive for a "success". I rememer that as a kid I had a desire to work and earn money but I wasn't able to do an that. Now my work ethic is screwed :?

@Username How old are you? It's somewhat normal to lose your drive when you go into Green prematurely in my Experience. Actually I experienced it throughout more than half of my 20s (29 now). My Solution was to go back and build my Roots so to speak

 

[Username]

@Carl-Richard @supremeyingyang I'm 31. I responded to:

"You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent."

It's not be entirely true because if you are good at orange and move be do a word third world country you might still struggle to get by. Why? Because skills your developed do not work that well anymore. I was developing orange during my prime school. Not so much chances to practice hands on in business environment and proper work ethic.

Being depressed and suicidal for first 25 years of my life didn't help, because I didn't care about anything but understanding.

Currently I'm using my torqoise insights from LSD trips. It helps to look at orange from higher perspective. I'm cleaning my room, diet and habits I also have more clarity and see which things are really important to reach my goals.

[Artsu]

@supremeyingyang you misunderstand me.

Completely overcoming a level is very difficult to do. It means that your overall development has to be way higher on the spiral.

I already live primarily in green and beyond, so I am not looking to merely go beyond orange, but to essentially do away with it.

I feel that I have done away with purple and red (or am getting there), so to speak, and next comes blue and then orange.

I have a fair bit of experience with the stages just above turquoise.

It's just that I feel that if I am working for an income, orange will still be a factor, so it's transcendence is likely to go hand in hand with retirement.

Am I making sense?

Edited July 25, 2020 by Artsu

[Consept]

I think it's very important to transcend orange while having respect for it and for financial freedom. For me when I was deep in orange I was too tied to the outcome and the idea of success which held me back from financial success. When it wasn't as important to me it became easier to make money, it's paradoxical but in my experience it's what works. People who dont take their money making endeavours so seriously can be in a better position financially, without all the stress. It's to do with the abundance v scarcity mindset, coined by maslow. It can be applied accross the board for example if finding a partner is the be all and end all for you it will be such a stressful experience, whereas if you don't need a partner and have a detached, abundant vibe you'll attract a lot of people. Hard to put into practice at first but lots of value in it 

[supremeyingyang]

 

10 hours ago, Username said:

@Carl-Richard @supremeyingyang I'm 31. I responded to:

"You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent."

It's not be entirely true because if you are good at orange and move be do a word third world country you might still struggle to get by. Why? Because skills your developed do not work that well anymore. I was developing orange during my prime school. Not so much chances to practice hands on in business environment and proper work ethic.

Being depressed and suicidal for first 25 years of my life didn't help, because I didn't care about anything but understanding.

Currently I'm using my torqoise insights from LSD trips. It helps to look at orange from higher perspective. I'm cleaning my room, diet and habits I also have more clarity and see which things are really important to reach my goals.

You go into turquoise? I thought you implied that you did not have integrated Orange in terms of financial freedom.

 

9 hours ago, Artsu said:

@supremeyingyang you misunderstand me.

Completely overcoming a level is very difficult to do. It means that your overall development has to be way higher on the spiral.

I already live primarily in green and beyond, so I am not looking to merely go beyond orange, but to essentially do away with it.

I feel that I have done away with purple and red (or am getting there), so to speak, and next comes blue and then orange.

I have a fair bit of experience with the stages just above turquoise.

It's just that I feel that if I am working for an income, orange will still be a factor, so it's transcendence is likely to go hand in hand with retirement.

Am I making sense?

It's a Discussion, right? As I understand it, you never get entirely past a stage. You need to be strategic, you use Orange. You need to talk to Environmentalists, you use Green. You need to survive during the apocalypse, you use Red. You need some luck to be free from fear you use purple and beat three times on wood. And so on.

I saved enough to live only 1 Years of it by now, but compared to no savings at all for the past Years it feels great. I can picture that 5 Years of Saving will be even more freeing, in terms of what I can just buy (courses, books, vacation to learn, time with friends, opportunities). I don't think Money will be a thing in 10 Years if I do it right. Besides... many Seniors in Retirement struggle really hard financially due to bad luck or bad strategy or both. So it's SAVE to say you integrated it by the time to retire, but I think you do way earlier (without even knowing you, you just gotta go throughwards it).

I think I'll live a whole lot of my life as a Spiral Wizard in Yellow, later in life in Turquoise. I feel no need to rush it, because I just enjoy it how it is:)

 

8 hours ago, Consept said:

I think it's very important to transcend orange while having respect for it and for financial freedom. For me when I was deep in orange I was too tied to the outcome and the idea of success which held me back from financial success. When it wasn't as important to me it became easier to make money, it's paradoxical but in my experience it's what works. People who dont take their money making endeavours so seriously can be in a better position financially, without all the stress. It's to do with the abundance v scarcity mindset, coined by maslow. It can be applied accross the board for example if finding a partner is the be all and end all for you it will be such a stressful experience, whereas if you don't need a partner and have a detached, abundant vibe you'll attract a lot of people. Hard to put into practice at first but lots of value in it 

Yeah, that's true. If you really need money, it's hard to get. If you already have money, you find plenty alternatives.

Gotta adept to the abundance mindset!:) Greeting my friends

Edited July 26, 2020 by supremeyingyang

[Artsu]

I want to point out that i was earlier speaking about transcending orange, not integrating it.

To integrate orange just means to be self sufficient in meeting your needs in it. I don't think you necessarily need to be rich or anything, you just need the capability to face lifes challenges. If you are struggling financially, you will likely find more orange is needed, but if you have secure employment, or you are comfortable without it, then you don't need to pay much attention to upgrading the lens of your orange.

Orange will continually be focused on, because each new decision we make takes a while before it is "actualised". We, as a whole, can be at that level (actualised+), but we keep tending to the lower levels because they will continually be called on.

[supremeyingyang]

2 hours ago, Artsu said:

To integrate orange just means to be self sufficient in meeting your needs in it. I don't think you necessarily need to be rich or anything, you just need the capability to face lifes challenges. If you are struggling financially, you will likely find more orange is needed, but if you have secure employment, or you are comfortable without it, then you don't need to pay much attention to upgrading the lens of your orange.

Orange will continually be focused on, because each new decision we make takes a while before it is "actualised". We, as a whole, can be at that level (actualised+), but we keep tending to the lower levels because they will continually be called on.

As I understand it is Transcending Complementary to Integrating and comes at the same time if done properly. If not you get lopsided.

You can transcend Orange without integrating it, which can be seen as bad because you don't have mastered the skills and mindset. It becomes easy to be to Idealistic, but to not achieve anything. Let's not forget the Scientific Method, its not just Business, and nowadays Science, which is largely Orange. It's not like every Green and above People have mastered it, often it's quite the opposite. You can from Green use Orange Science to make you Analysis and thus your action more likely to succeed.

You can Integrate Orange without transcending it, which can be seen as bad because you are now stuck at Orange.

 

> I say to if you transcend a Stage you are clever to put it's lessons into perspective but learn nonetheless further but like one who play the game from outside.

> Life is a continuing cycle of learning, so in my Mind you Transcend with Integration. You become Green and include Orange like those Russian Dolls, there in one Doll there is a smaller one and in this Doll is a smaller one and...

Story from myself where I Transcended without Integrating: I was very Idealistic at 19. A vegan radical Leftist with ambitions to become a Artist. Antifa. I protested. I wanted to destroy and help build something new within a loving community. Meditation, Yoga, Weed. Read Dan Millman 'The Path of the Peaceful Warrior', Zen Bhuddism. Bottom line of this Paragraph: I transcended without Integration.
After Transcending Orange I saw clearly that I was basically right about Things (our Food is so cheap produced thus bad for our health, like Society is shallow, buying happiness with money don't make you happy, there is to much inequality in the world...) but I screwed up on the Details and Technicalities.Also screwed up on the everyday hustle. How is advanced Math important and needed when even a 7th Grader can clearly see what is the Problem with our Food? Etc. This is how I thought, maybe I mix off being Adolescent and being prematurely Green.
The Point is I was blind the healthy Teachings and Realities of Blue and Orange, thus leading me to serious motivation problems and then Depression. This was somewhat common with the Green people i got to know at that time, which actually a shame because many where above 40 or 50 Years Old at that time.

For me was the here in the Forum often laughed at and despised spell of Jordan Peterson 'Start with clean up your Room before you criticize the World' just what I needed for cure. Or let's say as a beginning of my Integration of Blue and Orange. This is why I, in my Opinion, often appear to be Orange, because I stress the importance to learn that shit among certain peoples like those here. Maybe I'm just projecting my Past, idk.

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by supremeyingyang

[Carl-Richard]

19 hours ago, Artsu said:

To integrate orange just means to be self sufficient in meeting your needs in it. I don't think you necessarily need to be rich or anything, you just need the capability to face lifes challenges.

If you master orange (get rich), you can use it to power your green^ values.

[Michael569]

On 23/07/2020 at 4:48 PM, PukkaDanks said:

Not a wage slave

I don't agree on this point. One can transition to higher stages even when being in 9-5. Even stage turquoise needs to pay bills however you can use the salary and the resources of the company to help yourself grow and when ready to transition into higher consciousness career but Yellow guys can easily work as a sales rep for big Corpo, they just won't see themselves as the "key, ambitious and highly successful senior sales executive" but as someone who is buying his time till they are ready to transition. 

[supremeyingyang]

@Michael569

yeah but once you need money - now what? most people drop. thats the point. of course you could be stable turquiouse even homeless in winter. but is that realistically the level of many people? thus: get money and take care of it and you can do what you want.

not everybody is eckart tolle level enlightened and im pretty sure that he had savings and or family support when he stopped working and made not money as a guru yet

[Rilles]

On 23/07/2020 at 5:48 PM, PukkaDanks said:

You will never be able to truly advance past stage orange unless you are financially indepenent.

Financial independence means:

• Not a wage slave
• Some people are okay with working those types of jobs as long as they can have some time left over for friends, I think theyve integrated Orange. 
• Have at least enough cash to support you for the next 5 or so years without requiring you to work
• This is extremely difficult and very arbitrary, money comes and goes, what if you lose your money after 5 years? Are you "disintegrated" from Orange then?
• Any cash that you do make is a by-product of living out your purpose, you never need to work for money
• Very few do. Very few even fucking care, they just want to feed themselves and watch Netflix. Thats okay. 

Other thoughts

• Realistically this is 0.01% of the population (at least those under 30)
• Generally people try to move through orange too quickly, not grasping the significance of true financial freedom, and not playing the stage orange game

Discuss

I think youve integrated Orange when youre confident and competent enough to make enough money to survive while also having some left over for leisure, and also feeling secure that you will be able to take care of yourself when the ride gets rough. You dont have to be a millionaire. 

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Rilles

[Michael569]

@supremeyingyang ok but where does the "need money" end? How much do you need till you can start working on your development into higher stages? Some people can make due with little money and for others, there is never enough. 

People may need to climb to green to realise that they are in shallow materialism so that they can start taking steps to get out of that otherwise you remain trapped in rat race until you collapse of an early heart attack. 

So no, I don't agree that you need to leave 9-5 to leave Orange. It's all about how you manage resources available to you at that time.