Everything/Nothing or Nothing/Everything?

[Pugfishpanda]

So I was wondering if this make sense. It seems, to me, that Everything has to exist before or at the same time as Nothing for Nothing to be. Well, because if there was only Nothing then there wouldn’t be anything to even say there is Nothing. Any thoughts?

[Leo Gura]

There is no difference between anything.

[Pugfishpanda]

What is the purpose of duality? And what exactly is it?

[Nahm]

On 7/21/2020 at 11:33 PM, Pugfishpanda said:

So I was wondering if this make sense. It seems, to me, that Everything has to exist before or at the same time as Nothing for Nothing to be. Well, because if there was only Nothing then there wouldn’t be anything to even say there is Nothing. Any thoughts?

There isn’t. 

2 minutes ago, Pugfishpanda said:

What is the purpose of duality? And what exactly is it?

There isn’t.

[Pugfishpanda]

 

After asking the question I went searching around the forum and found a question about shamanism and then someone led to me to this guy and I thought I would share what I found on his website. 

[Nak Khid]

On 7/21/2020 at 11:33 PM, Pugfishpanda said:

So I was wondering if this make sense. It seems, to me, that Everything has to exist before or at the same time as Nothing for Nothing to be. Well, because if there was only Nothing then there wouldn’t be anything to even say there is Nothing. Any thoughts?

but does everything need this mythological  "nothing" to exist? 

[allislove]

On 7/22/2020 at 5:33 AM, Pugfishpanda said:

It seems, to me, that Everything has to exist before or at the same time as Nothing for Nothing to be.

Exist?? Is there non-existence? Does a pink elephant exist?
Time?? Is there a time without appearance/forms/objects?

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Well, because if there was only Nothing then there wouldn’t be anything to even say there is Nothing.

I wouldn't try to put logical on it – this transcends logic.
Everything = Nothing = you = God = Love

[Member]

2 minutes ago, allislove said:

Everything = Nothing = you = God = Love

Everything = Nothing = Love = Hate = Good = Evil?

[allislove]

@Member

Hate/Evil is seen only through the clinging to a perspective. If there is no clinging to any perspective everything is seen as it is, Love.

[Member]

2 hours ago, allislove said:

Hate/Evil is seen only through the clinging to a perspective. If there is no clinging to any perspective everything is seen as it is, Love.

Then nothing is seen only by clinging to a perspective?

[Carlos MK]

9 hours ago, Pugfishpanda said:

What is the purpose of duality? And what exactly is it?

Purpose of duality? I Understand it as the operative system that our biology has developed to be able to interact with the world and survive. The illusion is in the contrast between things.

All is a useful abstraction developed for you to exist. it could have been something else, but it is not, we understand the world through contrasts, and every contrast is by definition binary.

If you put careful attention, there is no real lines between things, there is no actuall wall between you and me, literally, there is a line of atoms from the inside of my skull to yours, the atoms and structures that they make varies, but none of them actually have like that moment in which you end and something else begins, gray-matter, bone, skin, air, soil, air, skin, bone, Your, gray matter.

Our psychology is somehow tuned to understand air as "nothing", and wether matter stays compact to define "Thing" once the tail fails from the cat, we got two "objects". but in reality, all of it is a "quantum soup".

[allislove]

@Member I wouldn't say "nothing" to eliminate confusion with "Nothing".

What I was trying to convey was said by Leo today, maybe this resonates with you more:

 

[Member]

@allislove isn't nothing the absence of everything like darkness is the absence of light?

[allislove]

11 minutes ago, Member said:

@allislove isn't nothing the absence of everything like darkness is the absence of light?

Nothing appears as everything, everything is nothing

or

Formless appears as form, form is formless

or

Love

[Member]

6 minutes ago, allislove said:

Nothing appears as everything, everything is nothing

I know but no thing = every thing is dualism. That's why I asked if Love = Hate = Light = Darkness etc.

[allislove]

2 minutes ago, Member said:

I know but no thing = every thing is dualism. That's why I asked if Love = Hate = Light = Darkness etc.

There is no Hate/Evil.

[Member]

2 minutes ago, allislove said:

There is no Hate/Evil.

Nothing is just the absence of everything

[allislove]

@Member nothing is everything, everything is nothing, no difference 

[Member]

2 minutes ago, allislove said:

@Member nothing is everything, everything is nothing, no difference 

Is darkness light? Nothing is the absence of everything.

[allislove]

8 minutes ago, Member said:

Nothing is the absence of everything.

Nope. No difference, literally. There is no point to get it intellectually. Go do spiritual practices to have a direct realization, experientially ?