Questions to leo on video "Mapping Consciousness with high dose of lsd"

[Kailash Bhattarai]

@Leo Gura You posted this video on your blog and said that you had a similar journey on 5 MEO to Christopher Bache. I watched full video, amazing video BTW, and have some questions. He experimented on LSD for 20 years and took 20 years for integration. He describes this method to be difficult as he couldn't stand being separated from god, and to integrate all this was very hard for him and somehow you did the same amount of work, maybe much more than on 2-3 years period, How? He took 20 years for integration. Also, he doesn't recommend the same practice to others.

My questions are 1) How did you do the same work in such a short time? 2) How did you integrate so much stuff in such a short time? (He says mushroom helped him integrate, are there any psychedelics or other method for integrating such thing.  3) He seems to have same kind of insights on LSD as you do in 5-meo?Why? Are there any other psychedelics and methods that can produce similar results to 5 meo? It seems like different psychedelics can be used in various work interchangeably   4) He says he doesn't recommend this method to others so, what is the reason you are recommending such a method to us? 5) How do you mitigate the challenges that arise on such an outrageous experiment?

Please, Make a video comparing different psychedelics to each other. I live in Nepal, so finding 5 meo here is almost impossible. How can i get similar experience and insights to 5 meo on others psychedelics like n,n-dmt, lsd, or mushroom. 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Kailash Bhattarai

[Kailash Bhattarai]

@Leo Gura I guess you didn't notice this post.

[Kailash Bhattarai]

@Leo Gura

[Kailash Bhattarai]

@Leo Gura 

[wwhy]

What makes you think you are owed all the answers you are demanding?

Work on your tone and approach, you might get better results.

Also, everybody's life experiences, talents and abilities are different, so most of your "why did you not do it exactly like X" questions are pointless.

[Kailash Bhattarai]

On 7/19/2020 at 9:41 AM, wwhy said:

What makes you think you are owed all the answers you are demanding?

Work on your tone and approach, you might get better results.

Also, everybody's life experiences, talents and abilities are different, so most of your "why did you not do it exactly like X" questions are pointless.

I don't think i am owed all the answers to the questions that i am demanding. I am just asking questions. I respect Leo and I know he is not replying because he hasn't seen it. I am just trying to keep this thread alive and hoping he will see it. 

Edited July 20, 2020 by Kailash Bhattarai

[RedLine]

@Kailash Bhattarai

 

I can give an answer: every person is different

 

why some people spend decades meditating and dont get results? why some people do it with a few years of meditaiton practice? why Ramana Maharsi entered in the non-dual state and never leave without meditation or psychodelics? why self inquiry works form some people and not for others?

Edited July 22, 2020 by RedLine

[RedLine]

One more thing:

 

He doesnt´even tell if had a meditation routine or what was his phenomenology between the sesssions (what was his stage of conscisuness). Maybe that what his mistake is, he was doing that trips but then he didnt´meditate at all so he was going back to his ego stage and also could integrate the experience.

Only psychodelics is not a good a idea, you need strong meditation background also

Edited July 22, 2020 by RedLine

[Demeter]

@RedLine , Chris Bache had an extensive meditative practice throughout. He speaks of it in his interviews. In particular, in the later stages, he followed Buddhist practices. He was a professor of Religion and was very knowledgeable about what was on offer. His reference list in the book is extensive. For example, he referred to Sri Aurobindo, who is quite possibly the most intellectually sophisticated Indian spiritual leader.

 

[eggopm3]

If you're interested in Bache's work I'd recommend actually reading the book, he goes in far more depth and detail there than he's able to in interviews, and answers most of the questions that I had after just watching interviews. It's a worthwhile read without a doubt. 

[Leo Gura]

On 7/15/2020 at 6:42 AM, Kailash Bhattarai said:

somehow you did the same amount of work, maybe much more than on 2-3 years period, How?

We are all different and have different spiritual talents. Some people get enlightened in one weekend, others take 30 years, other never.

I have some special talents which many people don't have.

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He took 20 years for integration.

It's impossible to compare what he and I have integrated. I have no idea what he's integrated. Maybe he did more than me in those 20 years. Hard to say.

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Also, he doesn't recommend the same practice to others.

I don't recommend it either. He did very high doses which is dangerous. My approach is doing moderate sizes doses but doing them more often.

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My questions are 1) How did you do the same work in such a short time?

I wouldn't call it the same. There's no way to know or compare these things nor should you try.

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2) How did you integrate so much stuff in such a short time? (He says mushroom helped him integrate, are there any psychedelics or other method for integrating such thing.

I have been contemplating the metaphysics and epistemology of reality since I was 16 years old. So I had laid a deep theoretical foundation. And I'm also very good at contemplating metaphysical things.

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3) He seems to have same kind of insights on LSD as you do in 5-meo? Why?

Of course. Why not? Almost any psychedelic can be used to have serious spiritual insight and the insights will be similar.

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Are there any other psychedelics and methods that can produce similar results to 5 meo? It seems like different psychedelics can be used in various work interchangeably 

You could do what he did using almost any psychedelic if you're committed enough. The magic is not in the psychedelic as much as in your intent to use it to understand reality.

What we're talking about is understanding.

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4) He says he doesn't recommend this method to others so, what is the reason you are recommending such a method to us?

His doses were way too high.

I recommend low to moderate doses which won't be so difficult to integrate.

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5) How do you mitigate the challenges that arise on such an outrageous experiment?

I don't recommend you copy me in doing 30 days of 5-MeO-DMT. That's too much and it's not necessary. I did it because I wanted to push the edge and explore uncharted waters. I was only able to do it because I had a deep theoretical foundation and I had several years of prior experience working with psychedelics.

For a normal person such as yourself, you should be aiming for small doses done once or twice a month, with breaks in between.

A good starting dose is 1g-2g dried mushrooms or 125ug of LSD. Or the equivalent of that on any other psychedelic.

There are dozens of wonderful psychedelics or research chemicals you can use to achieve a similar result. Through experimentation you can find which molecule works best for you. Don't assume we are all the same. Your brain chemistry is unique.

In general I would say you're getting ahead of your skiis. Do a few small trips and just see how psychedelics make you feel. They may not be right for you, or you may find that they are perfect for you. It all depends. There are too many variables to know ahead of time. This is a domain which requires exploration and careful trial and error.