Doctors, politicians and pissed off citizens

[annonnimm32]

What exactly happened to our Civil Rights and freedoms, since a seemly Pandemic stoped the whole world to stop turning? Is it justified to lose your entire liberty, live in fear and actually get more ill? Was it justified? NO! Because of one reason : Doctors are NOT GODS neither Saints! They are people who make mistakes, human errors, read wrong into a situation! Doctors cannot treat everyone of us and every patient must NOT be treated the same. For a good, responsible doctor, every patient of his own is a personal project with dead lines and must be done with the approval of the patient! We did not consent this! On the time of the pandemic, we indeed still had every single of our Liberty, because we have the right to say NO! WE HAVE THE RIGHT and OBLIGATION to REFUSE Treatment specially when Treatment meant isolation for months! No pandemic has the power to challenge our legal rights and liberty! Politicians may try and foolishly fail and anger us further! Know your Rights! You still have The Right to refuse Treatment !

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, annonnimm32 said:

We did not consent this!

Society has NEVER EVER been consensual. That's what you misunderstand.

You are whining about the inconvenience of isolation when your ancestors had to die in war to defend your ability to exist.

You seem to not understand how community works. Your community will force you to do WHATEVER IS NECESSARY for the community's survival. Welcome to Earth, human.

[Extreme Z7]

Sorry to break it to you but the majority of Earth, heck not even the majority of America, supports the anti-lockdown libertarian narrative.

Nearly every Reopen America protest was basic Astroturfing propaganda.

 

[annonnimm32]

Oh, God Leo, please dont tell me you as well think that there are viruses walking around killing random people... Boy, i sure do miss terrorists....  Did Corona whipped em out? . Since the technique of mind control, Leo, it has been perfected and journalists, some of them, benefit from Sat.  Technology.  Why do we have so many sat s?  Some commercial sat s can target random people with very light rad, similar to staying to much in front of a screen and tadaaam .... Corona symptoms . Next, a doctor is dispatch to intercept you.  We have the technology... 

[Leo Gura]

@annonnimm32 Please stop listening to whatever horseshit conspiratorial news sources you listen to. It's rotting your mind.

[annonnimm32]

Leo, this is all me, its what i see 

[Space Coyote]

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Know your Rights! 

You first. Legal rights don't function the way you think they do. 

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No pandemic has the power to challenge our legal rights and liberty!

Agreed, but you have never had this "legal right" see: Compagnie Francaise &c. v. Board of Health (1902). Note even the dissent in that case said: the power of states to impose quarantines is "so well settled by repeated decisions of this Court as to be no longer open to doubt" The states are well within the constitution to imposed lock-downs and quarantines, this is not some radical challenge to our rights it how its been since the day you where born.  You are the one purposing a radical change to our "legal rights" by massively expanding them well beyond what any court has ever upheld.  

Welcome to the Real World, human.

[Parththakkar12]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Society has NEVER EVER been consensual. That's what you misunderstand.

You are whining about the inconvenience of isolation when your ancestors had to die in war to defend your ability to exist.

You seem to not understand how community works. Your community will force you to do WHATEVER IS NECESSARY for the community's survival. Welcome to Earth, human.

Then tell me - What if the lock down never ends? What if the economy never reopens? How does this help the community's survival?

The way I see it, the world is being put in a lose-lose here. One option is the passive, weak, scared one in which you follow the lockdown and sit tight holding onto everything you've got. The other one is the active one in which you move forward and question everything. You do risk getting the covid in this one but you have a life. 

Would you want to live an enslaved life in which you're locked down, in fear of the next virus or whatever that's gonna hit you? Is that what you want for yourself and the world? What guarantee do you have that another virus won't come and terrorise you more?

Passivity is worse than death, it's living death. By supporting this, you're committing to passivity.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Then tell me - What if the lock down never ends? What if the economy never reopens? How does this help the community's survival?

Would you want to live an enslaved life in which you're locked down, in fear of the next virus or whatever that's gonna hit you? Is that what you want for yourself and the world? What guarantee do you have that another virus won't come and terrorise you more?

What lock down? There is no lock down!

You're whining about a thing that isn't even happening.

The libertarian position is what America is doing!

All you're being told to is do is not be an inconsiderate asshole and not infect others by minimizing your reckless social behavior.

But as usual, libertarians will always whine no matter how little government does. Because to a libertarian anything that personally inconveniences his freedom is an act of violence.

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Wife: "Hey baby, I'm gonna make you your favorite pancakes, but we're out of milk. Could you pick some up from the grocery store?"

Libertarian: "WHAT????!!!! How dare you!!! I did not consent to this, woman! Stop using aggression and oppression against me. LIBERTY!!! FREEEEEEDOMMMMMM!!!! ****MYYYYYYYYYY**** RIGHTTTTTTSSSSSSSS!!!! Personal responsibility!!!! Morality!!!! Non-Aggression Principle!!! Property Rights!!!!"

Wife:

[Parththakkar12]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What lock down? There is no lock down!

You're whining about a thing that isn't even happening.

The libertarian position is what America is doing!

All you're being told to is do is not be an inconsiderate asshole and not infect others by minimizing your reckless social behavior.

But as usual, libertarians will always whine no matter how little government does. Because to a libertarian anything that personally inconveniences his freedom is an act of violence.

Wait... weren't we discussing how to survive best and collectively have the highest quality life here? Survival isn't even a concern from a nondual perspective. Let's not bypass the issue of living a life by saying 'What life? There's no such thing as a life.'

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Wait... weren't we discussing how to survive best and collectively have the highest quality life here? Survival isn't even a concern from a nondual perspective. Let's not bypass the issue of living a life by saying 'What life? There's no such thing as a life.'

The best way to survive is to stop whining, stop spreading conspiracy theories, wear a mask, and limit your socializing until really smart hard-working people (unlike you) invent a vaccine/treatment.

[Parththakkar12]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The best way to survive is to stop whining and wear a mask and limit your socializing.

According to you.

In the short term. Long term, the economy is gone. Good luck with that.

Also, you're making a false equivalency between talking about a problem with the intention of solving it, and whining.

I never said covid doesn't exist. No conspiracy theories. I'm debating the way it's being handled.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Extreme Z7]

6 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

According to you.

In the short term. Long term, the economy is gone. Good luck with that.

Long term, the economy will recover. Long term without any kind of response is millions of deaths AND economic collapse anyway because of deaths.

The only way to escape economic troubles was to have every person agree to pandemic mitigation measures which would have ended the pandemic much earlier and allowed the economy to not suffer much of a hit.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Extreme Z7

[Parththakkar12]

10 minutes ago, Extreme Z7 said:

Long term, the economy will recover.

Oh yeah? What if another virus, say ebola comes up? They're bringing up more viruses.

Do you have a magic wand that you'll spin and boom! The economy recovered?

Edited July 13, 2020 by Parththakkar12

[Extreme Z7]

Just now, Parththakkar12 said:

Oh yeah? What if another virus, say ebola comes up? They're bringing up more viruses.

Covid is not ebola. Not all viruses are the same.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

According to you.

According to most of the world's scientists, academics, leaders, experts, and even serious business leaders.

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In the short term. Long term, the economy is gone. Good luck with that.

There cannot be an economy when every hospital is overflowing with dying people.

[Opo]

4 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Oh yeah? What if another virus, say ebola comes up? They're bringing up more viruses.

Do you have a magic wand that you'll spin and boom! The economy recovered?

What if the economy runs away? 

All the work we've put in will be for nothing. 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Opo

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Oh yeah? What if another virus, say ebola comes up? They're bringing up more viruses.

That's precisely why there needs to be a stronger federal government with much better funding and strict protocols in place as soon as a new virus hits.

This virus is directly the result of libertarian-like approach to government: let's just do nothing and the free market will fix itself.

It sounds nice in theory, but in practice leads to mass death and economic horror.

This virus is a failure of effective, competent, proactive government.

[Parththakkar12]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

According to most of the world's scientists, academics, leaders, experts, and even serious business leaders.

Scientists, academics, leaders, experts don't really have to know much about the economy and how it runs. As far as business leaders go, they're starting to say that we should care more about the economy. They're questioning the stats put out by the scientists and experts, because the deaths have been far lower than anticipated. Business leaders are saying we should worry more about unemployment because more people will die of it.

[Extreme Z7]

1 minute ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Scientists, academics, leaders, experts don't really have to know much about the economy and how it runs. As far as business leaders go, they're starting to say that we should care more about the economy. They're questioning the stats put out by the scientists and experts, because the deaths have been far lower than anticipated. Business leaders are saying we should worry more about unemployment because more people will die of it.

Why are you trusting business leaders on an epidemiology issue?

Anyone who thinks more people will die from unemployment is a fool.