Connecting ism:s to spiral dynamics -Mega thread

[ArchangelG]

Where would you place all the different ism:s(political, religious, spiritual, philosophical or economical ideology) in terms of Sd stages?

[Carl-Richard]

I found most of these on the different mega-threads. I'll keep adding more stuff, and I'm open for suggestions  

 

Purple

• Tribalism
• Shamanism
• Paganism
• Cannibalism

 

Red

• Tribal imperialism
• Machiavellianism
• Narcissism
• Egoism
• Terrorism

 

Blue

• Nationalism
• Conservatism
• Patriotism
• Imperialism
• Colonialism
• Authoritarianism
• Fascism
• Nazism
• Ethnocentrism
• 20th century Marxism
• White supremacism
• Creationism
• Catholicism
• Islamic fundamentalism
• Wahhabism
• Hasidic Judaism
• Zionism
• Mormonism
• Religious terrorism
• Conformism

Orange

• Capitalism
• Libertarianism
• Individualism
• Consumerism
• Atheism
• Materialism
• Reductionism
• Empiricism
• Skepticism
• Darwinism
• Behaviorism
• Utilitarianism
• Objectivism
• Pragmatism
• Optimism
• Logical Positivism
• Cubism
• Abstract Expressionism
• Surrealism

Green

• Progressivism
• Liberalism
• Collectivism
• Socialism
• Feminism
• Egalitarianism
• Multiculturalism
• Cosmopolitanism
• Humanism
• Environmentalism
• Veganism/vegetarianism
• Cultural relativism
• Moral relativism
• Post-modernism
• Deconstructionism
• Altruism
• Pacifism
• Western Buddhism
• Minimalism

Yellow

• Wider/deeper relativism.

Turquoise

• Holism
• Mysticism
• Biocentrism

Edited July 12, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[TrustTheProcess]

@Carl-Richard nice! 

I tend to think of utilitarianism as yellow though, although I can see it be applied in an orange manner

[Carl-Richard]

10 minutes ago, louhad said:

@Carl-Richard nice! 

I tend to think of utilitarianism as yellow though, although I can see it be applied in an orange manner

I don't think there is very much understanding of relativity required to accept utilitarianism (it lends itself to rationality quite well), but you could argue that the non-discriminatory and selfless qualities inherent in its design can be viewed as yellow.

[Hank Galaxy Brain]

Where would you guys put the Black Panthers as an sd stage?

[Forestluv]

@Carl-Richard Nice list. . . It has some crossover, yet I might add “collectivism” to green. Also, moral relativism. And a wider/deeper relativism for yellow. 

[Carl-Richard]

20 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

@Carl-Richard Nice list. . . It has some crossover, yet I might add “collectivism” to green. Also, moral relativism. And a wider/deeper relativism for yellow. 

Thanks . I'll keep adding suggestions and more stuff over time. I just started with what I found on the other mega-threads, and I saw that humanism was mentioned in both green and orange. Do you think it belongs in both?

Edited July 11, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Artsu]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I don't think there is very much understanding of relativity required to accept utilitarianism (it lends itself to rationality quite well), but you could argue that the non-discriminatory and selfless qualities inherent in its design can be viewed as yellow.

Nah i was selfless and accepted utilitarianism way before i got to yellow (i didn't just accept it, i basically came up with it). I would have been stage blue when i got into philosophy. I was also politically in green territory. Maybe my understanding of SD is too at odds here. Because i see green and above as when i got really spiritual in an experiential sense, not when i started holding to this or that viewpoint.

Also it's kinda odd that green has so many items but yellow is just an abstraction. This makes me thinking maybe green is too inclusive and things need to be shifted over.

My own understanding adds an extra stage in and defines it by subpersonal (ego), personal (self), interpersonal, transpersonal, interdimensional, transdimensional.

The environmental movement is largely transpersonal. Science can get into interdimensional understandings. Mysticism is transdimensional.

 

Edit: utilitarianism stretches up the spheres. It applies anywhere where there can be made value judgments of experience.

In general, a philosophy etc. will span multiple layers, having a centre of gravity in the middle and maybe a tier 2 and tier 1 approach. So religious attitudes take place at blue, but they also take place in interdimensional and transdimensional worldviews.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Artsu

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Hank Galaxy Brain said:

Where would you guys put the Black Panthers as an sd stage?

I don't think revolutionary groups/movements lend themselves easily to SD analysis as they are inherently unstable and reactionary, and they aren't consistent parts of the evolutionary ladder in a stable society. There tends to be a large discrepancy between the "ends" and the "means". However, if you were to count up the different "isms" they're related to, you would get mostly green values.

Edited July 11, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I saw that humanism was mentioned in both green and orange. Do you think it belongs in both?

I would put “humanism” in green. Orange is more about individualism.

[Artsu]

What level is spiral dynamics?

I think turquoise, because it can describe turquoise well but not above it.

[Boethius]

@Carl-Richard Ayn Rand's Objectivism would go under Orange (next to Libertarianism, of course).

[Carl-Richard]

Is racism stage blue or stage purple?

[TrustTheProcess]

@Carl-Richard I'd say it prob strikes more blue

[Artsu]

Racism would be red wouldnt it?

(Conflict is associated with red)

Edited July 12, 2020 by Artsu

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Artsu said:

What level is spiral dynamics?

A yellow meta view

41 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Is racism stage blue or stage purple?

Racism is a super nuanced topic. 

[Carl-Richard]

13 minutes ago, Artsu said:

Racism would be red wouldnt it?

(Conflict is associated with red)

Conflict is associated with Tier 1 in general, not just the lower parts. Racism is a result of fear of "the other", which made me suspect that it could be applied to tribal societies (purple), but I don't think there is a reason why they themselves should be able to distinguish between the concept of "race" and just "other". The concept of race only arises when you've been exposed to a great diversity of different people, and I believe tribal societies won't have that level of cultural influx, thus blue seems more applicable.

[Carl-Richard]

52 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

A yellow meta view

Racism is a super nuanced topic. 

Yeah haha. Racism can happen at all stages in some form or another when I think about it. When I'm trying to categorize these different "isms", my mind seems to first go to "when did this first arise in history?", and then I tend put it under the stage that was most prevalent during that particular time in history, but then I forget to think about what happens after that and the stages that proceed .

Edited July 12, 2020 by Carl-Richard