Is awakening the same as shooting yourself in the head?

[zeroISinfinity]

[OmniYoga]

your question doesn't make sense in the first place

cuz you ask alive beings

so in other words you ask virgins how it's like to have babies

[zeroISinfinity]

6 minutes ago, OmniYoga said:

your question doesn't make sense in the first place

cuz you ask alive beings

so in other words you ask virgins how it's like to have babies

How to solve that problem.

Pair up with Elliott Hulse and partake in adventure. 

Or just go in some arab land and buy virgin bride. (US site, they do not know how world is, oh c'mon they do) 

(I will get ban) 

Edited July 5, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[Nak Khid]

22 hours ago, actualizing25 said:

Is awakening the same as shooting yourself in the head?

So is the "state" (dont have a better word for it) after someone shoots himself in the head and dies the same  as right after an awakening experience? In both cases the ego dies and merges into infinite consciousness and one becomes God. So it would be logical to assume that after both events you will have the same consequence. So awakening is literally the same thing as death/suicide.

The question is reasonable 

IF......

if someone was taught that on dying one merges into infinite consciousness and one becomes God.

 

Edited July 5, 2020 by Nak Khid

[abrakamowse]

4 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

The question is reasonable 

if someone was taught that on dying one merges into infinite consciousness and one becomes God.

 

But is a different way of dying. If you don't die (transcend the ego) killing yourself won't help. 

You won't merge with God if you are not mentally and spiritually ready. 

Killing yourself to become enlightened is like hitting your head against a wall to stop thinking. 

Edited July 5, 2020 by abrakamowse

[zeroISinfinity]

Yes you experience your own death for awakening/formless. But never forget and I wish you to feel form=formless. 

So don't harm yourself. Psychedelics, meditation all good for that. 

If you are dreaming then you know dream. You will dream forever so no need for harming yourself. 

This=God no difference. 

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura Wheres the difference then?

[Nak Khid]

41 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

 

You won't merge with God if you are not mentally and spiritually ready. 

Killing yourself to become enlightened is like hitting your head against a wall to stop thinking. 

So some people who are mentally and spiritually ready merge with God when they die

but others don't?
What happens to the one's that don't when they die?  Do they merge with something else? 

[Nak Khid]

anybody that says they know what happens after death 

doesn't know 

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Nak Khid said:

anybody that says they know what happens after death 

doesn't know 

Of course. As a finite “anybody” there is the knowing of “anybody” and the lack of knowing “not anybody”. 

If we create a tree, it’s not a ham sandwich. 

[abrakamowse]

1 hour ago, Nak Khid said:

anybody that says they know what happens after death 

doesn't know 

Buddha and Jesus didn't know. Otherwise they would suggest you to kill yourself to become one with God. 

 

Cool. 

Edit: Suicide is obviously the ego who doesn't want to accept reality, so ego thinks it can take a shortcut to enlightenment.

Edited July 5, 2020 by abrakamowse

[abrakamowse]

1 hour ago, Nak Khid said:

So some people who are mentally and spiritually ready merge with God when they die

but others don't?
What happens to the one's that don't when they die?  Do they merge with something else? 

First of all, the "merge" term is a concept to try to understand what is not understandable and that it cannot be explained.

In reality we are always One with God but the idea of a separated person makes us think we are "separated". If those ideas continue after death, it is obvious that those ideas will take form again, human form or other forms to manifest until the idea of a "me" or a separated "I" goes away.

 

Anyone needs to die to know that, if you jump from a skyscraper you know that you will fall into the ground and die. It is not necessary for you to jump to know it. Is just common sense.

And all the wise people who came before us have written about it, the paths to enlightenment are all around us. Is weird that no one mentions suicide as a way to become enlightened.

The idea is preposterous.

[Someone here]

No trolling.. A serious question:

How do you know that you are going to die someday?  Simply because society tells you?  You see other creatures dying but why did you conclude that that's gonna happen to you?   You obviously never experienced death before so why you believe in it?  How do you know that when you jump off a cliff that you gonna "die"?  What is death anyways?  You never experienced such thing before so what exactly are you talking about? 

[Nak Khid]

14 minutes ago, Someone here said:

No trolling.. A serious question:

How do you know that you are going to die someday?  Simply because society tells you?  You see other creatures dying but why did you conclude that that's gonna happen to you?   You obviously never experienced death before so why you believe in it?  How do you know that when you jump off a cliff that you gonna "die"?  What is death anyways?  You never experienced such thing before so what exactly are you talking about? 

how do you no when you go to sleep tonight you will wake up later ? 

[Someone here]

15 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

how do you no when you go to sleep tonight you will wake up later ? 

I obviously don't know that.

I just Beileve in it based on the pattern that every night I do wake up after sleep.  But that's just a belief because  Correlation of phenomenon doesn't  guarantee the independence and continued casual chain.. Yeah that's right there is nothing in the universe that Really guarantees that the sun will rise up tommorow .  Same with sleeping.. I  might sleep tonight and then dissolve into nothingness forever and never wake up again.   

Death is no exception obviously.  It's just a belief until it's not. All talking about death is BS unless one is already dead (in which case he cannot talk about it). Only one way to find out what happens when you die..... 

Edited July 5, 2020 by Someone here

[Leo Gura]

Do not confuse the lower death drive with the higher death drive.

[OmniYoga]

@Leo Gura what is the difference?

either way there is a surrender component to it, isn't it?

Edited July 5, 2020 by OmniYoga

[mandyjw]

The self commits suicide because it assumes it has control over its own life. Awakening is the realization that you never had or have control. 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

The self commits suicide because it assumes it has control over its own life. 

Suicide is inevitable. 

Whether you die "naturally" or kill yourself makes no difference.. In both cases the  Entropy will reach maximum levels that simply your body-mind can't handle anymore to sustain itself.  The person who commits suicide thinks that he is getting rid of life when in fact it's life that is getting rid of him because he didn't take his happiness and peace of mind seriously when that's the only thing that matters. 

[actualizing25]

@Leo Gura but in the end you will get the same consequences, or am I wrong? different ways, same destination.