Why is America less developed than other countries?

[TrustTheProcess]

Why did america fall so hard to corporatism and is just now beginning to blossom green seriously relative to other developed nations? Like what economic or social reasons specifically?

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by louhad

[Lyubov]

It's quite complicated but consider it's size. It's a huge country. It's much easier for a small European country with one ethnic group and uniting shared ethos to work together and put in place all sorts of social programs vs a massive country with all sorts of ethnic groups that perceive each others as enemies. 

[Preety_India]

America is way better. 

 

It's just that America gets a lot of flack because it's constantly under the scanner. 

All these rosy rosy ideas about other countries are so not true 

Other countries will easily stomp on human rights even at the slightest opportunity. 

In my experience, Americans were the best people on planet earth so far in all of my personal experiences with people all over the planet. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Religion is a big factor. Northern Europe is more secular and so its government is not corrupted as much by stage Blue religious fundamentalism as American government is.

Religious conservatism is holding back America's development in the same way that Islamic fundamentalism is holding back the Middle East. When people are too ideological, they don't make empirical decisions.

[remember]

3 hours ago, louhad said:

Why did america fall so hard to corporatism and is just now beginning to blossom green seriously relative to other developed nations? Like what economic or social reasons specifically?

 

as you already say in the question: big companies - big companies don’t just have a monopoly on markets they also control to a point what is fashion (or at least they try to) and they control the direction of technical development. then you also have the striving for supremacy in the us, in a sense a challenge between big world economies, and clearly a paradigm towards development in the digital sector in the last 40 years. so the focus was somewhere else. you could say though that the development there has reached a certain saturation.

big companies and trusts are phlegmatic, if they run nicely they don’t want to change especially if they would loose profit, that’s why they often don’t hear the starting shot when paradigms shift. a problem with a lot of orange/red companies. also ofc an oil company has difficulties changing the kernel of their business to a green one, weapon industry would probably not think about sustainability, like cradle to cradle - maybe they could recycle old munition...

a lot of reasons probably, big country, big companies, big lobyism. 

green is a slower development than orange, orange sources red energy from destruction, through breaking down of blue, breaking down even the green structures within blue, growth takes longer than breaking down. in some consequences blue also has/had some sustainability structure at least in europe, maybe made it easier for europeans. also striving for better lifestyle through cultural comparison within europe in my oppinion is a huge factor, small countries gain more influence through the unity factor for example - so in a sense it’s because the trendsetter in this case is not the usa even if some influencers in the us are trendsetters in green thinking, street fashion is not always economic fashion.

Edited July 4, 2020 by remember

[electroBeam]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Religion is a big factor. Northern Europe is more secular and so its government is not corrupted as much by stage Blue religious fundamentalism as American government is.

Religious conservatism is holding back America's development in the same way that Islamic fundamentalism is holding back the Middle East. When people are too ideological, they don't make empirical decisions.

The most athiest(and therefore secular) developed countries are the UK, Australia and Germany - countries that are arguably less advanced(in SD terms) than the average developed country. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/most-religious-countries-in-the-world/amp/

[Roy]

History and opportunity. America was born and raised into it's success and power by honing Orange. If it's worked so well for them, why would they change? Of course you're going to see resistance when evolution tries to naturally assert itself, because the psyche of America is committed to and it's identity attached to Orange. Therefore it can't see the limitations.

It's like trying to explain to a stock broker why money isn't everything. Of course the truth will fall on deaf ears because all they value is money.

Also the US stepped into the role of world leader after WW2. You would assume a leader is constantly trying to advance and evolve but that's a misguided intuition. They have been historically so busy policing and trying to govern the world, as well as preserving their power that there is simply no time to reflect and fix it's internal flaws.

Meanwhile other Western nations on the same tier as them used the luxury of safety that the US has provided them to catapult themselves to the next stages.

That's why countries like Canada, Norway, Denmark, etc. are more developed.

Of course it is much more complicated then this. Macro history just gives you the broadest zoomed out perspective so you aren't lost in the details.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Roy

[Roy]

14 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

The most athiest(and therefore secular) developed countries are the UK, Australia and Germany - countries that are arguably less advanced(in SD terms) than the average developed country. 

If the UK, Australia, and Germany are "less advanced" than an average developed country. Then what the fuck is an "average developed country" LOL?

[electroBeam]

4 minutes ago, Roy said:

If the UK, Australia, and Germany are "less advanced" than an average developed country. Then what the fuck is an "average developed country" LOL?

Orange/Green countries like Switzerland, Spain, Belgium, Portugal are the average. UK Australia are actually solid orange and germany is blue orange.

Scandinavia and canada are solid green and Austria has some higher than green elements.

Greece and poland and croatia are examples of solid blue. 

[Hank Galaxy Brain]

I would point to mainly 1 unresolved trauma and 2 propaganda

There's a lot of unresolved trauma from around 90% of between 2 and 18 million Native Americans dying, many from genocide. From the conquest of those people. And from slavery.

Add to that the psychological effect of this: everyone (non-native) who came to America experienced the emotional pain of leaving all their extended family and community to come here. It's also a nation founded by venture capitalists, religious purists, and criminals. (Yes criminals, Transported convicts represented perhaps one-quarter of all British emigrants during the 18th century.)

I think that mixture of those three groups pretty accurately sums up a lot of what you see today. Just as those psychological patterns of trauma are passed down through families until they are resoled.

Propaganda: The American population is gaslit into believing it is much less developed and progressive than it actually is.

Biggest example: health care. It's not a controversial issue. 70% of Americans support medicare for all.

This has been polled routinely for years now. But the media frames it as a "debate" and convinces the public that it's "too radical" for most Americans.

So Biden, who does not support medicare for all, wins.

Biden is winning even though most democrats support Medicare for all.

90 percent approval among Democratic voters for Medicare for All

Not only that, but it's more full of ads and editorializing than European media, and uniform in supporting corporate narratives (which, for example, medicare for all doesn't fit). Noam Chomsky claims, "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." This is considered normal, while things the majority of the population support are considered radical.

 

 

 

[Epikur]

I am not shure what is the measurement of development. One way to see the west is a good functioning work camp. 

From the outside it looks not too bad but maybe it is not so good as it seems.
 

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Why white people can’t dance: they’re traumatized

Our bodies ‘moved’ completely differently before colonization/Westernization. We had a much greater sense of the lower body and abdomen. We have been white-ified through changes to our living environment including the adoption of Western military discipline and education.

The major muscle in our body that holds trauma is our iliopsoas which connects our spine to our pelvis. It is the muscle responsible for engaging us in our stress reactions of fight, flight and freeze. Trauma locks up the use of this muscle, which in turn reduces the range of movement of the spine. Westernized/colonized life reinforces trauma to produce a rigid, reactive and disassociated embodiment -what we call white-ness.

This is why, when a white ally asks me about how they can best ally with POCs, my best advice is to come dance with us. I don’t mean this just in the literal sense (although it’s a lot of fun). What I mean is that white bodies need to actively experience the discomfort of their body not being dominant in a space to really understand how much pain they are in – to feel and heal the white-ness that has been fortified by living in a colonized world.


 

https://selfishactivist.com/why-white-people-cant-dance-theyre-traumatized/


 

Edited July 4, 2020 by Epikur

[TrustTheProcess]

@Leo Gura

what do you feel led to America clinging on to christian fundamentalism longer than say denmark?

also, ik that this is a very complex issue, but isn't fundamentalism a byproduct of stage blue consciousness? I don't think that it is just the other way around. Of course, religious ideologies add inertia to stage blue, but it seems at one point, other countries, like canada for example were about as religious as us. Why are we so slow to fully embrace secularism? It is also interesting that our constitution was a pretty orange document and more relatively developed than others relative to that time period. One would think that we would have advanced faster. 

[TrustTheProcess]

@Epikur America has been slow to grow out of stage orange and go into stage green. Our country literally doesn't even have universal healthcare and we are the richest country on earth. 3 people own more wealth than the bottom 50%. 

[TrustTheProcess]

@Hank Galaxy Brain Thanks for sharing, interesting take! It is still interesting though that it seems that the American constitution was more developed from an sd perspective than others and we have still been slow. 

[Epikur]

Just now, louhad said:

@Epikur America has been slow to grow out of stage orange and go into stage green. Our country literally doesn't even have universal healthcare and we are the richest country on earth. 3 people own more wealth than the bottom 50%. 

I know. One guy already told some good reasons. 

I would put it this way. If the US would not have freed itself from Britain it might have been like other countries. They would just be a part of something else.

On it's own because of it's size it became an empire on it's own. An empire needs a state ideology to legitimize itself and to keep diverse people together. 

Then it got pushed into the role of world police. Once you have that job a thing like "professional deformation" happens. You get an authoritarian personality.



 

[TrustTheProcess]

@Epikur yeah, it would def make sense that our "world police" paradigm has contributed to inhibiting our development

[Epikur]

4 minutes ago, louhad said:

@Epikur yeah, it would def make sense that our "world police" paradigm has contributed to inhibiting our development

USA got sucked into the role in world war 2. Then later with Sowjetunion that was a totalitarian state that captured many countries. Then later with the Korean war where they saved South Korea. 

Later things went downhill from there it seems. 

The South Koreans are still to this day very thankful to the countries that helped them. I read about Ethiopia and Turkey who faught there.



 

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, louhad said:

@Leo Gura

what do you feel led to America clinging on to christian fundamentalism longer than say denmark?

Well, America was founded by religious fanatics basically. And since Europe had a lot more religious conflict over the years, I think they learned their lesson and found peace in secularism.

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other countries, like canada for example were about as religious as us. Why are we so slow to fully embrace secularism?

Hard to say. There are probably dozens of nuanced factors.

It's like you're asking, "Why do I prefer vanilla while my brother prefers chocolate?" There's not likely to be one clear answer.

[Apparition of Jack]

19 hours ago, electroBeam said:

Orange/Green countries like Switzerland, Spain, Belgium, Portugal are the average. UK Australia are actually solid orange and germany is blue orange.

Scandinavia and canada are solid green and Austria has some higher than green elements.

Greece and poland and croatia are examples of solid blue. 

I wouldn't call Spain or Portugal Green, they might have a couple of Green parties but the average population is closer to Blue/Orange. They're still dealing with the fallout from authoritarianism that only ended ~40 years ago which is relatively recent by Euro standards.

[Epikur]

14 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

I wouldn't call Spain or Portugal Green, they might have a couple of Green parties but the average population is closer to Blue/Orange. They're still dealing with the fallout from authoritarianism that only ended ~40 years ago which is relatively recent by Euro standards.

Funny thing their destiny is bound to Germany. Ironically Germany has got what Hitler wanted. Germany leads Europe but reluctantly.

 

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Germany is doomed to lead Europe

The EU’s biggest member is in charge, whether Germans like it or not
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But it is Angela Merkel—longer in post than the leaders of France, Spain, Italy and Poland combined—who is the undisputed top dog. 
 

https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/06/27/germany-is-doomed-to-lead-europe


 

Edited July 5, 2020 by Epikur