Can someone help me explain to my grandad who created God please? :)

[Carl-Richard]

12 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

 

No, the first one went back in time infinitely but then died.   We are only up to the third one and no one knows if they will go on forever 

If God is the source of all creation, then what can he create that is not "of" himself? What is it that exists opposite to God that separates God from his creation? 

You're conflating classic monotheism with non-duality. God isn't a being that exists separately from his creation. He IS the creation. He is one, undivided being, expressing himself through infinite creativity and imagination.

Edited July 4, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Johnny5 said:

What creation, lol....

God.

[Nak Khid]

14 minutes ago, Johnny5 said:

How the fuck is god going to create itself when it's all there has ever been and time doesn't exist....

yes,  we assume that God created the universe rather  than just dwells in it 

The steady-state model asserts that although the universe is expanding, it nevertheless does not change its appearance over time (the perfect cosmological principle); the universe has no beginning and no end. This requires that matter be continually created in order to keep the universe's density from decreasing. Influential papers on steady-state cosmologies were published by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and Fred Hoyle in 1948.It is now known that Albert Einstein considered a steady-state model of the expanding universe, as indicated in a 1931 manuscript, many years before Hoyle

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

yes,  we assume that God created the universe rather  than just dwells in it 

The steady-state model asserts that although the universe is expanding, it nevertheless does not change its appearance over time (the perfect cosmological principle); the universe has no beginning and no end. This requires that matter be continually created in order to keep the universe's density from decreasing. Influential papers on steady-state cosmologies were published by Hermann Bondi, Thomas Gold, and Fred Hoyle in 1948.It is now known that Albert Einstein considered a steady-state model of the expanding universe, as indicated in a 1931 manuscript, many years before Hoyle

Can you just evolve plz?  

[Nak Khid]

42 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If God is the source of all creation, then what can he create that is not "of" himself? What is it that exists opposite to God that separates God from his creation? 

You're conflating classic monotheism with non-duality. God isn't a being that exists separately from his creation. He IS the creation. He is one, undivided being, expressing himself through infinite creativity and imagination.

By "God" here you are referring to an alternate word for "everything" 

However God is not talked about in the classic nondual traditions,  Zen Buddhism and to an extent Advaita Vedanta.
It's more characteristic of Bhakti yoga.   

But some recent speakers who identify themselves as nondualists have attempted a hybrid 
 But in the end you wind up with an alternative word for "everything" with a religious connotation alluding to it's dualistic forms 

 

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by Nak Khid

[Gesundheit]

@Nak Khid You seem very well educated, but you don't seem to know how to read between the lines. Or do you consider reading between the lines delusion? Or is it something else?

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

God does not need to create itself. For ‘something’ to be able to create anything at all it has to be already preexisting. God is unlimited in the sense that it has no beginning, nor end. Limited ‘things’ have durations, whereas God does not. For God to create itself it would have to be able to destroy itself, which of course is not possible, since God is absolute and eternal.

All true. But nevertheless God created itself. It is creating itself every minute. When you go to take a crap, there's God creating crap. One minute there is no crap, the next minute there is.

Since everything is ONE, creation IS existence IS absolute IS eternal.

[abrakamowse]

@Lucidliving1234 If he is a materialist, show him this... Carl Sagan said this and he considered himself an atheist.

Quote

 

“If the general picture of an expanding universe and a Big Bang is correct, we must then confront still more difficult questions. What were conditions like at the time of the Big Bang? What happened before that? Was there a tiny universe, devoid of all matter, and then the matter suddenly created from nothing? How does that happen? In many cultures it is customary to answer that God created the universe out of nothing. But this is mere temporizing. If we wish courageously to pursue the question, we must, of course ask next where God comes from. And if we decide this to be unanswerable, why not save a step and decide that the origin of the universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that God has always existed, why not save a step and conclude that the universe has always existed?”

― Carl Sagan, Cosmos

 

Now, tell him that Sagan is giving the Universe a property of GOD, he is saying that the Universe always existed.

So, he is saying that the Universe is GOD, is just a matter of what name he uses to say GOD, in this case Sagan called GOD "The Universe"...

Easy peasy!!!

[zeroISinfinity]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

God is unlimited. An unlimited thing can create itself, since it is unlimited.

The inability to create oneself is a limit.

If God could not create itself, it would be limited, which is impossible since ONENESS requires that all limits be self-imposed.

If everything is ONE, that means the creator and creation are identical.

You really gotta appreciate that unlimited means ABSOLUTE UNLIMITED! Zero fucking limits!

Oh yeah boyo and it's pure Love. Blows your mind. Point is I am always that. 

That's why all this work guys. You know losing your "self" once it is gone limits are gone and BS survival ends. 

Glory to returning King (which is me). 

Sounds arrogant but that's fruits of my work. 

[Carl-Richard]

11 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

By "God" here you are referring to an alternate word for "everything" 

"Everything" isn't really a good description of the properties of reality. If you were to describe something that is all-powerful, all-knowing, infinitely intelligent and creative, eternal, infinite and One, what better description is there than the word "God"?

11 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

However God is not talked about in the classic nondual traditions,  Zen Buddhism and to an extent Advaita Vedanta.
It's more characteristic of Bhakti yoga.   

It's because these traditions are limited and incomplete.

11 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

But in the end you wind up with an alternative word for "everything" with a religious connotation alluding to it's dualistic forms 

It's not an "alternative" word. It's a superior word in terms of describing reality. If you wanted to describe the nature of time, you wouldn't call general relativity an "alternative" model to classical mechanics. It's a superior model.