Solipsism is True!

[Nak Khid]

 

Monism

Monism is the metaphysical and theological view that all is one,
that there are no fundamental divisions,
and that a unified set of laws underlie all of nature.
The universe, at the deepest level of analysis, is then one thing or composed of one fundamental kind of stuff.

It sets itself in contrast to Dualism

 

Idealistic Monism: (also see the section on Idealism)
This doctrine (also called Mentalistic Monism) holds that the mind is all that exists (i.e. the only existing substance is mental), and that the external world is either mental itself, or an illusion created by the mind. Thus, there is but one reality, immutable and eternal, which some (including the ancient Hindu philosophers) have termed God (Idealistic-Spiritual Monism), while others, such as the Pre-Socratic philosophers like Parmenides, were content to label as Being or "the One". This type of Idealistic Monism has recurred throughout history, from the Neoplatonists, to Gottfried Leibniz and George Berkeley, to the German Idealism of G. W. F. Hegel.

Materialistic Monism:
This doctrine holds that there is but one reality, matter, whether it be an agglomerate of atoms, a primitive, world-forming substance, or the so-called cosmic nebula out of which the world evolved. It holds that only the physical is real, and that the mental can be reduced to the physical. Members of this camp include Thomas Hobbes and Bertrand Russell, and it has been the dominant doctrine in the 20th Century.
There are two main types:Reductive Physicalism, which asserts that all mental states and properties will eventually be explained by scientific accounts of physiological processes and states, has been the most popular form during the 20th Century. There are three main types:

Neutral Monism:
This dual-aspect theory maintains that existence consists of one kind of primal substance (hence monism), which in itself is neither mental nor physical, but is capable of mental and physical aspects or attributes. Thus, there is some other, neutral substance (variously labeled as Substance, Nature or God), and that both matter and mind are properties of this other unknown substance. Such a position was adopted by Baruch Spinoza and also by Bertrand Russell for a time.

Reflexive Monism:
This is a dual-aspect theory (in the tradition of Spinoza) which argues that the one basic stuff of which the universe is composed has the potential to manifest both physically and as conscious experience (such as human beings) which can then have a view of both the rest of the universe and themselves (hence "reflexive"). It is a contemporary take on a concept which has been present in human thought for millennia, such as in later Vedic writings like the "Upanishads" and some beliefs from ancient Eg

 

[Someone here]

6 hours ago, Mu_ said:

Great answers thanks for sharing.  Ok lets dig a little deeper if you don't mind....

So there is a unquestionable fact that you are aware and I almost agree to... But What is the "you" part of the awareness, and not just awareness happening?

It's complicated lol. Yeah there is no such thing as me In actuality.  Like when trying to be so clear and precise what "me" Is..it's not really there. But there is awareness of something. That's true. 

When you say there is one me obviously what do you mean....  A sense of experiencing something, or a "you" that is experiencing something and this you was born at  particular date, knows that it makes choices and thinks what it wants to and feels what it wants to?  If not, how would you describe this.

As I said there is no consistent actual self in reality. But there is an appearance of a consistent self. That's why you are" normal "your whole life. There is some mysterious force that is holding you together so to speak. If it vanished completely you will have a psychotic breakdown and end in insane asylum for the rest of your life like what happened with Friedrich Nietzsche   in the last 10 years of his life if you heard of that. 

And why is this "you"you?  And not the universe arising?  Or a planet birthing people?  Is perhaps some of it because you feel like your in a body on the planet and this planet is in the universe?  I mean those reasons are very convincing, I agree.  (I'm not trying to lead you in a particular way of seeing, just want to know how you see these things, even if its not how I phrased my questions).

As I said it's not possible to find where exactly is the "me".  What am I?  Who am I?  Where am I? Why am I?   I have no idea and no one does okay? Lol   you tell me what the hell is going on here if you know lmao. The best I can say it's indescribable. Existence is just a brute indescribable fact. 

Also I dont know if you believe in the big bang or not, but if you do, what seperates "you" from the big bang still happening creating the universe moment to moment?

I don't "believe" in the big bang. As I don't "believe " in anything really. Any fact about reality has to be either found in direct experience or makes logical or scientific sense at a very minimum sense at least or otherwise there is no need for me to "believe" it.  As for the big bang.. Well I didn't see the big bang happening myself lol.. So I'm not attached to whether it really happend or not.. I don't really care lol. 

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by Someone here

[James123]

5 hours ago, Galyna said:

Dima referred to this: I wrote in my other comment to you: "Sounds like Nahm!"

He is saying that it was a good compliment of mine to you . 

 

 

Ooo  thanks a lot ❤️ 

[Member]

12 hours ago, justfortoday said:

It's not you that is awake and conscious.

It's the SPACE that is around you.

You never have moved in your entire life, your consciousness zooms in and out of reality to create the illusion of movement.

You get it now?

It's the space that is moving your body like a marionette.

The space is moving you, and everybody else inside of the universe at the same time. 

THAT is what is awake, not your body.

But the voice inside your head that can think, THAT is the tranascendental "I" which only one instance exists.

It's not you/your body but it's the space? What's the difference between your body and space?

12 hours ago, justfortoday said:

What is actually happening is that the "space" is moving our three bodies like puppets to write this forum thread.

It's universal intelligence manifesting as 3 POVs.

But only 1 non-concurrent instance of consciousness exists at once.

God literally lives each life individually. It happens outside of time, it's an infinity pool.

God doesn't happen outside of time. For anything to happen there has to be time.

9 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

Your finite mind is not what? 

Lel

[Inliytened1]

12 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

Your finite mind is not what? 

Your limited mind is not all of reality.  It is reality in a limited state.  Good post btw breaking down those different paradigms (Monism).  Idealism - the first one - comes the closest to accurately describing reality from my own direct experience.   And it is a Mind precisely because it is unlimited.   In an unlimited state all of reality is opened up to you - though perhaps not all at once.  The nature of reality becomes clear or understood, for example.  What you're true nature is - which is reality itself, etc.     

[Member]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Your limited mind is not all of reality. It is reality in a limited state.

So what you are saying is that reality is whole but 'you' are not whole because your mind is limited by the collective matrix called IT.

This sounds more like a limiting belief imo and not the actual truth.

Example: I can't do it because it didn't work before, therefore it is what it is = me being lazy = limiting belief.

[Inliytened1]

46 minutes ago, Member said:

So what you are saying is that reality is whole but 'you' are not whole because your mind is limited by the collective matrix called IT.

 

No my claim is that you can become directly conscious of Infinity - that you ARE infinity - and that you purposely limited yourself in order to separate yourself from yourself - in order to explore yourself infinitely - ultimately to reunite wth yourself - for the purpose of being able to share your own Infinity (or Love) with yourself.

 

[Galyna]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

Ooo  thanks a lot ❤️ 

No problem

[Jacobsrw]

15 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

@Red-White-Light   

1) Has anybody else in this thread agreed yet that solipsism is true?

2) How many , if any, closet solipsists have you noticed in this thread?

 

3) what do you think of what he's saying here?  Is he confused? 

 

 

 

 

You misunderstand Ruperts proposition. You are conceiving through the lens of mind and tainting reality through such limits.

Rupert is a imply stating that there exists consciousness which can be experienced through a multitude of innumerable minds each independent of one another. However, this independence of mind rests within consciousness and is ultimately consolidated and singular when taken to its inflection point.

Solipsim is the delusion that one finite mind is experienced and supersedes all other minds as it is assumed to have created them. This is absurdity from the view of consciousness since it would denounce the infinitude of existence and further assumes a single focal point from which a single mind operates.

Consciousness pertains to no focal point yet facilitates a multiplicity of them. Solipsism refutes this and assumes reality is limited to a single self. This is completely incongruous to the direct actuality of consciousness through which a limited mind depends.

In other words, a solipsists privileges the mind over the actuality of reality and thus, assumes reality to be made up of it not the consciousness preceding it.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Jacobsrw

[Mu_]

@Someone here

11 hours ago, Someone here said:

 

Alright, all good stuff.  I've been in your shoes before and it can be a great place to be in.  And its a place you can live the rest of life in so to say with out really missing anything so to say, its totally fine and equal to anywhere else   However, there's always more to explore and happen for ever and ever, but its not a you must or your missing out kinda thing

So is it seems safe to say, you believe that you believe in stuff in certain ways, and do so as a result of external facts brought to you or observed by you internally?

While I'm not sure if I can prove to you what Leo, Inliytened1, justfortoday is trying to point to, perhaps I can help open up the possibility.  And maybe this analogy will help.

Its important if this is something you truely want to understand to be really honestly open.  Some how you know what you know now and believe what you know somehow, its pretty self evident to you as you've said.  so in this same way, something has shifted in Leo/Inliytened1/justfortoday that has made it pretty self evident that what they are sharing is true and its just known in a way that can't really be said why they know, just like you, but its just evident.

Now you may say well I know that I don't know and that it can't be known or only certain things could be possibly be know, but carefully look at how this to is just a thought, just an idea that can't be known either, the belief/statement itself actually cancels itself out.  I lived a long time in that same belief as well, always denying what I thought was impossible to know or understand.  But upon seeing that this statement I believed was fundamentally true, actually wasn't, a new window opened up that let in some new direct knowing....  Perhaps that window is ready to be opened for you.....

Let me know if this makes sense or if you have an questions or opposition to what was shared.....  Also if you are interested in looking into this deeper, send me a private message and perhaps we can chat, its honestly easier then long hand typing all this stuff....

[Member]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

No my claim is that you can become directly conscious of Infinity - that you ARE infinity - and that you purposely limited yourself in order to separate yourself from yourself - in order to explore yourself infinitely - ultimately to reunite wth yourself - for the purpose of being able to share your own Infinity (or Love) with yourself.

Ok but what does this have to do with your mind being limited by 'other' minds? Limitation is only in your mind, limited by you so that you can explore yourself infinitely. If we consider that parallel universes are true, then our definition of reality is just a self-limiting belief as there is no such thing as 'other minds'.

[Inliytened1]

5 hours ago, Member said:

Ok but what does this have to do with your mind being limited by 'other' minds? Limitation is only in your mind, limited by you so that you can explore yourself infinitely. If we consider that parallel universes are true, then our definition of reality is just a self-limiting belief as there is no such thing as 'other minds'.

I can only tell you what i became directly conscious of.  I am not saying there are other minds with their own independent perspectives.  I am not saying the philosophy of Solipism is completely wrong i am saying that it is incomplete.    And this is shocking and disturbing for the ego.  Not for God of course.  As i stated one of the biggest awakenings i had was to become directly conscious that all other "minds" were actually being imagined by Me (as Infinity or God) Identical to that of a dream.   I couldn't function for a few days with this realization.  I could not function talking to other people because they were projections of my mind.  It was a very expanded state of consciousness which was achieved through meditation - no psychedelics.   Eventually consciousness closed back up again and i was able to function again.  But for a short while there i was very worried.  So this stuff is very real.  Now the way i initially integrated this awakening was that wow this was God's perspective - (the Godhead) and i could shift between my finite POV and God's POV.  It turns out it's not that easy to shift to after the ego has died because it doesn't want to go there again.   But it was obviously possible.  The question then remained why couldn't i then shift to a different finite mind?  This really boggled my "brain" for a while because the way i was integrating this realization afterwards was that there were still other finite minds happening simultaneously.  And this is how Rupert teaches.  However he admits he is making a jump or assuming there are other minds happening simultaneously because it is not something one can verify.  It could be absolutely realized if it was but i don't think he stated that he had an Absolute realization of this.    Which means it is a concept.  And during my awakening i did not take a "separate perspective" as God - because had that been the case i would have also seen my small self or the ego as a projection of my Mind  it would have been as if from God's perspective i was also imagining myself, and all others, while also simultaneously being them and my small self.  This was not the case.   It was just that all others and everything else were simply projections of my mind.  The separation between my finite self and infinite self was dissolved.  

Also if you look at quantum mechanics and how ultimately stuff exists as nothing or a possiblity/potential or wave function when not observed, it means nothing exists unless observed.  And who is doing the observing right now? Only me.   It doesn't make a lot of sense for God to have things collapsing into something all over the place.  It's a lot of wasted effort.  As in a video game it is subjective.  The rest of the game exists as nothing or pure potential when not in the player's direct experience.   Parallel universes that all meet?  Doesn't that also seem like a lot of wasted effort by God?  Why can't it be Absolutely subjective?   Of course that ultimately means i am talking to myself.  But again i go back to this: when i am in this state of consciousness i am not currently directly conscious that you are a projection of my mind.   Like i said, if i were,  i would go insane.

So God creates this level of consciousness - a dual state.  In which to forget itself.

[Someone here]

@Mu_ OK feel free to PM me if you like . 

Just want to say it makes no difference from your POV whether other POVs are aware or not.. Because from your POV there is only your POV and it's always gonna be the case. That is to say you can only and always have just one POV at a time. So even if you going to experience my POV someday it's still going to be experienced as your POV!!  So on to infinity there can only be two possibilities.. Your POV or no POV! .  That makes solipsism absolutely true.. Not in the sense that there is only your present POV in actuality but that you don't have access and will never have access to any other POV except your POV and even if you did it had to be via your POV first. You are prisoned inside your POV forever. 

[Inliytened1]

@Someone here that is correct in the fact that one can only take one perspective at a time.  

[Bulgarianspirit]

You guys think god would limit himself to only one mind at a time.. How boring. Why don't you try this.

https://amp.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/d7dfur/iv_realized_we_are_god_and_life_is_a_dream/

Tripping with others. Something so rare. Stop with this solipsism nonesense. Infinity can limit itself to infinite finite minds until they end and come back to itself.

[Someone here]

Just now, Bulgarianspirit said:

You guys think god would limit himself to only one mind at a time.. How boring. Why don't you try this.

You are mistaking possibility for actuality.  Saying that something is possible doesn't automatically equal that it is actually the case.   It certainly IS possible for an all powerful god to dream separate individual awarenesses simultaneously.. But whether it is actually the case or not is what we are concerned with not the possibility or what looks more sexy of a possibility to you. 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Bulgarianspirit said:

You guys think god would limit himself to only one mind at a time.. How boring. Why don't you try this.

 

The thing is time is an illusion.  So infinity is not really linear - we are trying to explain this stuff with language which is limited. There is just this.  Now.  Thats it.

[Mu_]

@Someone here

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Mu_ OK feel free to PM me if you like . 

Just want to say it makes no difference from your POV whether other POVs are aware or not.. Because from your POV there is only your POV and it's always gonna be the case. That is to say you can only and always have just one POV at a time. So even if you going to experience my POV someday it's still going to be experienced as your POV!!  So on to infinity there can only be two possibilities.. Your POV or no POV! .  That makes solipsism absolutely true.. Not in the sense that there is only your present POV in actuality but that you don't have access and will never have access to any other POV except your POV and even if you did it had to be via your POV first. You are prisoned inside your POV forever. 

I kinda agree with what your saying, no view happens outside of the view itself, although its not provable and I'm ok with that, maybe there is, even if it doesn't make sense to me through experience, its not shutdown as impossible.  Some views you could say may encompass other views simulatneously, and sure you could argue or not argue that it still means its 1 POV since its happening in a defined space that you put the boundaries on, but again those boundaries may need to be set to make that statement, but again it doesn't mean its absolute and that defined statement falls apart when the boundaries are stretched.

Also I'm not certain theres only two possibilities, Your/my/any POV or no POV.  There is whats called, just happening, and it doesn't mean there's point of view or not.  You could say point of view is a intrinsic nature of whats happening as a universal unfolding able to be defined and articulated in any way possible and doesn't have a inherit meaning or actuality thats objectively defined, it just is and sure any point could made about whats happening, like the statement you made, but as it may become obvious or not, thats just whats happening.  Questions happening, why's happen, whats happen, thoughts happen, emotions happen, expression happens, POV happens or doesn't and everything in between. LOL

Also, Imprisoned?  This may be something interesting to inquire about, since it may reveal some deeper impacts on how you see/believe/understand life/yourself/being.

And ya I'll message you if you want.

[Bulgarianspirit]

Welp i would explain the whole thing with multiple personality disorder. One mind with many personalities intertwined in one vast imaginary universe.Talking to itself through different bodies. Or god dreaming an infinite dream with many characters. Its all the characters at once. Hey otherwise im just writing to imaginary minds and an imaginary forum and here is solipsism im god you aren't conscious.

[Bulgarianspirit]

Just now, Bulgarianspirit said:

Welp i would explain the whole thing with multiple personality disorder. One mind with many personalities intertwined in one vast imaginary universe.Talking to itself through different bodies. Or god dreaming an infinite dream with many characters. Its all the characters at once. Hey otherwise im just writing to imaginary minds and an imaginary forum and here is solipsism im god you aren't conscious.

But if thats the case..Why do i fall in love...Why am i so sensitive and caring towards others.It doesnt make sense. Intuitively i care about them and this planet a lot.