Cities run by the Democratic Party and crime in the US

[Epikur]

So Tim Pool made a video about it. Seems like democratic run cities have more crime. Is that right? Or are there more nuanced explanations?

Here is the reddit for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hfsufu/trump_keeps_claiming_that_the_most_dangerous/
 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Epikur

[electroBeam]

Singapore is the safest country in the world and is one of the most authoritarian. 

Yes there are a group of authoritarian countries that are much much safer than the west. 

I've lived in the west and the east, and in general the % of crime is generally equated to how much money a country has, and how much is spent on reducing crime. Of course there's millions of other factors - but by far the biggest factors are how developed a country is and how much money it spends on reduction of crime.

Countries have different way of dealing with crime, Singapore uses surveillance. The US uses quite heavy military law enforcement, Europe uses more humanitarian methods such as psychological and therapeutic help.

The most effective method for a particular country depends on its culture. Surveillance is most effective in China and Singapore and other south east asian countries, because in those countries obedience and following the law is highly valued. Chinese and Singaporeans and similar nations like following the law and security. The west on the other hand value freedom, human rights and privacy. So surveillance doesn't work as well. You need to use more flexible methods of de escalating situations in those countries. Otherwise the media will be onto you, the persecuted will fight back, etc. In Singapore or China you can't be flexible, because the citizens will take advantage of that due to their value system.

I totally believe democratic nations do have more crime. Singapore has cameras everywhere and extremely harsh penalties. Everyone over there is shit scared of breaking the law. a 3 year old child can be in a dark alley way all alone in Singapore and nothing will happen to that kid. Even in Denmark you would be worried about such a situation. The liberties, freedom for democratic nations come at a cost of less surveillance and opportunity for more crime. Although the catch is authoritarian nations spend more money on crime, because micro managing and surveying their citizens with fine granularity costs lots more money. Lucky Asians are hard workers and work 7 days a week There are also costs to reduction of liberties, it makes it harder to curb political corruption and racism. Its harder to evolve a country that is not democratic. So there's long term costs to the short term gain of reduction of crime. 

[Epikur]

@electroBeam

In this case it's about cities that are run bei the Democratic Party in the US vs. the cities run by the Republican Party.

The bigger picture is ok in the discussion too I guess.

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[Apparition of Jack]

Big cities are run by Democrats because they have to be in order to balance all the competing social forces. Democrats, as a rule, are more open-minded and compromising than Republicans. Republicans would have a harder time  running a big city without creating more social problems than they fix.

As to why there seems to be so much crime in big cities? Well, this is a function of American civilisation as a whole, not any one party. You could have Jesus Christ himself at the helm of a big American city and he’d still have a hard time fixing all the crime and poverty because it’s just that entrenched in the American psyche. 

[Preety_India]

Like Leo quoted a day before 

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Benjamin Franklin 

I agree with @electroBeamhere.

It's a catch 22. The reason you see high crime in precisely those states is not because of Democrats but because of complex social dynamics in those states. You will see that most democratic states are poorly funded and are poor because of systemic racism. Try to read a little more on the racist history of America. Schools in black neighborhoods are poorly funded. Whereas rich neighborhoods are given maximum resources and most rich states are republicans. Republicans cannot handle the problems in the democratic states as someone pointed out here. In a place which is very diverse, crime is expected, also given the fact that most people in such places are poor. Poor neighborhoods have higher crime rates than rich neighborhoods. Democrats make sure to help poor inner city populations through welfare schemes and that's the reason these areas vote Democrat. Whereas Republicans will withdraw welfare funding in such places and there can be a dramatic rise in racism with Republicans in power. 

Places that are low in censorship, high in civil liberties, low in surveillance will always have a higher crime rate. 

If you kill all the people with coronavirus, there will be less cases and less spread or transmission of the virus. But if you let people with coronavirus to live, you increase the risk of transmission, however killing people is inhuman. 

If you kill disabled people, there will be less disabled people in a population 

However if you gave the disabled people the opportunity to survive, you will see more numbers of disabled people in a population simply because they haven't died yet. 

A more democratic society allows more scope and accommodation for the weak, vulnerable, poor, disabled as well as criminals on the principle of humanity. 

A less democratic society is stage red and it constantly weeds out people who don't serve the purpose of the state.. It is less accommodating and more punitive. So people who have issues are not given support or help but are ostracized. 

For example, in a more democratic society, criminals will be treated more humanely and will enjoy scope for rehabilitation and further improvement, also job opportunities post incarceration to live better lives. 

A less democratic society will try to judge, ostracize  outcast and mercilessly eliminate criminals because they don't want to spend much resources in dealing with the issue. 

As a result, when you check a roster in a less democratic society you will see less criminals and instances of crimes because most criminals are either dead, apprehended or too scared to disobey the law. This in turn creates a state of fear and people in such places are less likely to fight against the system of authority out of the fear of retribution. 

But if you check the roster of a more democratic society, you will see an uptick in crimes and more criminals because they are allowed to survive and they have less fear of authority. In such a society, most rights are secured and civil liberties are unanimously honored therefore fighting against the system is much easier. 

Therefore its a catch 22. You can't have the cake and eat it too. 

You will see less crime in a military stage red blue state yet you will instantly start whining about the lack of freedoms. 

On the other hand, you will see more crime in a stage Blue green state yet you will generally enjoy the level of freedom you get there. 

So it's a zero sum game. You get one for losing another. You lose one for gaining another. 

Everything comes at a price and so does freedom. 

Some videos that will help you grasp the racist history of America and the problem of systemic racism and how it impacts the growth of minorities. And how it creates a domino effect of poverty and crime. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Corruption in America, a significant factor driving poverty 

 

 

Poverty in America because of federal minimum wage issue as described in depth by Amo Jo's testimony. 

 

Poverty in America driven by wage disparity which means poor get poorer and rich get richer as described by Democrat congresswoman Katie Porter. 

 

Most people in these videos like Katie Porter and Elizabeth Warren want low corruption and less poverty and disparity. Such measures will decrease the crime rates in inner cities. Something that democrats want to do. Which Republicans will not bother to pay attention to. 

You have to understand that crime in America is a complex issue not dependent on Democrat or Republican parties but more dependent on variables like 

• Federal minimum wage issue
• Single parent household which government is not creating but social dynamics 
• High divorce rates 
• Sky high incarceration rates 
• Too many guns. More guns than people 
• Fewer job opportunities 
• Pay disparity and higher level corruption 
• Homelessness not being resolved 
• Constant high stress and competition of surviving in inner cities. Less competitive low stress rural areas have low crimes 
• Moral decadence in the population because of pop culture 
• Exposure to violence in childhoods
• Children of incarcerated parents are more likely to commit crimes
• High cost of living and survival and constant competition for the American dream 
• Dysfunctional homes and families for which government doesn't do anything other than foster adoption which is a failed system. Foster care abuse is a pervasive problem 
• Lack of trust between citizens because of guns
• Domestic relations at an all time low. Most crimes in white families are spousal and domestic crimes
• Life insurance payout a major motive for crimes for which no solution found yet
• Systemic racism and lack of funding in poor areas 
• Crimes in black families are because of financial stress and improper upbringing again because of poverty
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So it's wrong to say that crime is because it's a democratic state. 

Crime happens because of a multitude of factors. 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Preety_India

[Preety_India]

Another problem in America is systemic corporate greed or pervasive corporate greed. 

America is  one country in the world which constantly touts about Capitalism. 

But corporate greed is the baby of capitalism that needs to be constantly fed.. 

So how does corporate greed in America lead to more poverty? 

First is that corporate greed has taken over two major facets of human life in America. One is Judiciary and other o is Medical. 

The corporations feed on these two facets constantly. 

The jails in America are a huge source of income for attorneys, lawyers and judges and the police system. 

They literally bank on criminals. 

If an American goes to jail, it's a profit.. 

If an American falls sick., it's a profit. 

The medical industry of doctors, nurses, pharma industry, especially big pharma and the medical insurance makes a lot of money over a sick or ill American. That's why they don't do much towards disease prevention. 

People are encouraged to eat junk food, junk food is cheaper than organic food, gmo laced food is made affordable to Americans so more and more Americans get fat and the medical industry gets fatter in terms of income. 

So is the jail system. The more criminals, real or imaginary, the more income for the whole system. 

Cops gain a huge amount of money in terms of fines from the public. 

The whole American government feeds on the vulnerabilities of its people by making them pay more and more to get out of distress. 

Most criminals in America are phantom criminals because the crime never occurred in the first place. You could be arrested for jaywalking. You could be arrested because someone called 911 on you even if you didn't commit a crime. 

But in the roster it will show up as criminal trespassing even when trespassing or any form of crime didn't occur. 

You might ask why? 

Because the cop wants his money from fines and a few rewards for policing like a promotion or reward. 

Thus the cop intentionally tries to make an arrest when there is no need to to fill up their quota. Thus they target the black neighborhoods because black people can't afford attorney fees. If they arrested white people, the cop will suffer severe retribution in court at the behest of a good lawyer and he might lose his job. So he won't bother a white guy or any affluent community person. 

This is well illustrated in this video. A cop himself admits that he purposely went to black neighborhoods to fill up his arrest quota. 

Private companies buy prisons. So a lot of the law enforcement work is all about making dollars rather than keeping community safe. 

Here is the video 

 

If you want real evidence of this form of corruption here is the video 

The cops in this video are trying to secure an arrest even if the person did not commit the crime. 

When you see the record of such a person, you will see a crime record in their record even if in real life they actually did not do anything wrong. 

So there are many such people behind bars in America only because of corruption. The actual crime rate is inflated and is actually very low than what it's shown to be. If you check the jail roster or register, there are many crimes on paper, so more rewards and money for the cop.. 

That's why America crime rate is disproportionately higher and incredibly higher than any country in the world because its inflated and false 

 

 

The same trick is used in the medical field and people are contanstly misdiagnosed or over diagnosed and medical malpractice is common to make money through insurance. 

Diseases are written that did not exist in the patient so that the doctor makes more money from the government. 

It's all about $$$$$ 

And sadly people are too naive to simply believe the statistics and actually believe this stuff is happening. 

 

[Forestluv]

6 hours ago, Epikur said:

Or are there more nuanced explanations?
 

Yes, there are nuances. For example, it is much easier to govern small homogeneous populations by conservative principals. It doesn’t work in larger, more diverse populations. It would be like asking someone who only speaks English to teach people how to be polyglots. 

As well, the government structure in the U.S has many layers. There is local, state and federal levels of government. For example, at the local level, Atlanta is more liberal / democratic. They need to be to run a diverse city. However, at the state and federal level, Georgia is run by republicans. It’s not completely accurate to call Atlanta a city “run by the Democratic Party”. 

 

[Khron]

Democrats are just the end punch of a white supremacist one-two punch. And their constituency contains the group white supremacy has oppressed the most overtly, vigorously. Poverty creates violent crime.

The one-two punch creates a cycle. We can enter it any point of the cycle and our explanation will be just as true. I will enter the cycle at what I called the one punch.

At the federal level, Republicans fund poverty through tax cuts. The second punch is Democrats not doing anything about it. So they create the poverty that creates the violent crime.

They then hire police or poverty managers to manage the poverty. The police make sure impoverished people don't do the things that are inherent to the nature of the situation they were forced into.

Of course the guy is right and the Democrats are just denying the truth. But the only reason that is the truth is the same indictment on the Democrats and the system itself from a different angle. The people this cycle Hurts the Most tend to vote Democrat. That literally means the system is doing the opposite of what it was supposedly built to do. All men are created equal so we'll make them fight to the death.

[Nak Khid]

@Preety_India  what are some of the main causes of murder in the U.S. ? 

[Preety_India]

@Nak Khid there are n number of reasons. But violent crimes mostly happen in poor neighborhoods. 

 

[Nak Khid]

3 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Nak Khid there are n number of reasons. But violent crimes mostly happen in poor neighborhoods. 

 

Is it a law of nature that poverty increases violent crime or not necessarily? 

[Preety_India]

@Nak Khid it's obvious. You don't need a law for that. You only need to see reality. 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Preety_India

[Nak Khid]

I think access to guns is another factor 

[Forestluv]

Would violence be more extreme in a low income community in which everyone had an automatic assault weapon capable of shooting 100 rounds per minute or a low income community with no guns? They only had things like knives, bats and hammers. I would predict violence would be more extreme in the community with automatic assault weapons. A single person can kill dozens of people in a minute with an automatic assault weapon, a person couldn’t do that with a knife. Even the best serial killer would need weeks to kill dozens of people with a knife and it would be super difficult to do. 

[Preety_India]

@Serotoninluv  that's why less guns.

 

[Epikur]

This is the list of the cities with the most crimes:

 

1. Detroit

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 20.0

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 50

Mayor:  Michael Edward Duggan, Democrat

2. Memphis, Tennessee

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.5

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 51

Mayor: Jim Strickland, Democrat

3. Birmingham, Alabama

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 19.3

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 52

Mayor: Randall Woodfin, Democrat

4. Baltimore

Violent crime rate  (per 1,000 residents): 18.5

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 54

Mayor: Jack Young, Democrat

5. Flint, Michigan

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.3

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 55

Mayor:  Karen Weaver, Democrat

6. St. Louis 

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.2

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 55

Mayor: Lyda Krewson, Democrat

7. Danville, Illinois

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 18.0

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 55

Mayor: Ricky Williams Jr. (nonpartisan election)

8. Saginaw, Michigan

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.7

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 60

Mayor: Floyd Kloc (nonpartisan election)

9. Wilmington, Delaware 

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.3

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 61

Mayor: Mike Purzycki, Democrat

10. Camden, New Jersey

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.2

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 62

Mayor: Francisco Moran, Democrat

11. Pine Bluff, Arknansas

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 16.0

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 62

Mayor: Shirley Washington, Democrat

12. Kansas City, Missouri

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 15.9

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 63

Mayor: Quinton Lucas, Democrat

13. San Bernardino, California

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 15.3

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 65

Mayor: John Valdiva, Democrat

14. Alexandria, Louisiana 

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.6

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 68

Mayor: Jacques Roy, Democrat

15. Little Rock, Arkansas 

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.6

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 68

Mayor: Frank Scott Jr., Democrat

16. Cleveland

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.5

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 69

Mayor: Frank Jackson, Democrat

17. Milwaukee 

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.3

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 70

Mayor: Tom Barrett, Democrat

18. Stockton, California 

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.2

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 70

Mayor: Michael Tubbs, Democrat

19. Monroe, Louisiana

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.1

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 71

Mayor: James Earl Mayo, Democrat

20. Chester, Pennsylvania

Violent crime rate (per 1,000 residents): 14.0

Odds of being a victim: 1 in 71

Mayor: Thaddeus Kirkland, Democrat

 

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

Edited June 29, 2020 by Epikur

[Epikur]

Vaush critics Sam Harriss about systemic racism:
 

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Epikur

[Onemanwolfpac]

On 28/06/2020 at 8:40 AM, Epikur said:

So Tim Pool made a video about it. Seems like democratic run cities have more crime. Is that right? Or are there more nuanced explanations?

Here is the reddit for it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hfsufu/trump_keeps_claiming_that_the_most_dangerous/
 

 

It goes to show what running to the government for free shit and having incompetence in government (ie cannot afford rent). 

The stats speak loud and clear as to where i wont live. 

[TrustTheProcess]

bahahahahahahahahah

[Onemanwolfpac]

On 28/06/2020 at 6:12 PM, Serotoninluv said:

Would violence be more extreme in a low income community in which everyone had an automatic assault weapon capable of shooting 100 rounds per minute or a low income community with no guns? They only had things like knives, bats and hammers. I would predict violence would be more extreme in the community with automatic assault weapons. A single person can kill dozens of people in a minute with an automatic assault weapon, a person couldn’t do that with a knife. Even the best serial killer would need weeks to kill dozens of people with a knife and it would be super difficult to do. 

Imho its a by product of free shit. Not vet and screen for the best. Have you been to Chicago or Detroit? 

It would be nice for someone ITT to acknowledge that the stats aren't good rather than making excuse for the above. The democratic cities look this way and not smart people are demanding defund? Common sense is not so common. 

We can agree that the problem is multifaceted but the solution is not more free shit and government. In another thread, somebody brought up a philosophical argument that accurately portrays the situation.