Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

[Evil Raccoon]

Great fucking movie.

Also great fucking movie.

 

[Casablanca]

Michael Corleone from The Godfather is a good example of someone who starts out at stage blue and regresses into stage red. Initially, Michael wants to become stage orange (growing up in the 1920s and 1930s in Italian American New York City culture, who wants to marry an American woman and go into politics). He joins the marines and fights in World War II to escape stage blue and become part of that broader American culture, but as time goes on, and his family is threatened, he is pulled further back into stage red. He joins the mafia to protect his father, he loses his first wife Apollonia, and then when he finds out Fredo allowed for his family to be assassinated, he kills Fredo. 

[AtheisticNonduality]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Country Love:

 

Sure she's not just an insane Orange person? 

And what's your opinion on people that jump around the spiral, like Red people that hop straight to Green without going through the mind-slavery of Blue and soul-slavery of Orange?

[Dragon Liege]

There are a lot of characters who have some stage red in Homestuck. I'm talking about these specific things so my post isn't forever.

Part 1 - Gamzee and Caliborn

https://www.homestuck.com/story/3358

Gamzee has turquoise states like realizing he's god, but his religion is very violent. He starts killing people after this freakout. He's overly reliant on this thing called sopor. It's like a combo of weed and some psychedelic. Stage red religion.

https://www.homestuck.com/story/5471

May or may not work. Caliborn shoots Gamzee for 5 minutes for the next few pages. This is Gamzee's "God" as in the fundamentalist sense. Like I said. Stage Red religion.

 

Part 2 - Vriska

https://www.homestuck.com/story/2173

I remember on Leo's nuances videos, he said that gender identity can be at any stage. Here's a Stage Red trans girl. This is Vriska mind controlling Tavros off the cliff. She has a massive shadow for passivity. Pages 2173-2177 is the scene. She has a habit of attempting to bully Tavros to make her stronger.

https://www.homestuck.com/story/2207

In the comment below the story is the author explaining that Vriska is messed up because of her culture. There's a a lot of stage red on Alternia.

https://www.homestuck.com/story/2208

I didn't know this before I looked for this. Vriska sort of had a plan to kill her lusus (their animal guardian thing).

0:00-1:40 Vriska being really pissed off and has vengeance on Terezi.

Vriska is just an egotistical person in general and tries to be the best. She's volatile, domineering, wants to be the hero, and is willing to break rules. She hits a lot of the points that Leo said in the stage red video. There are a lot more examples of Vriska being stage red.

[Dragon Liege]

4:37-6:22 ignore everything else then read.

https://www.homestuck.com/story/3439

3439-3461 is the scene. Barely any words at all. I forgot to put a scene where Gamzee murders people. He kills Equius and Nepeta. It shows Gamzee's egotism. This happened because Dave showed him an ICP video and mocked his religion. The story's complicated so I might not wanna explain that much. The point of these is to just show stage red examples.

[TrustTheProcess]

 

 

Edited August 4, 2020 by louhad

[John876]

Ellen has elements of red where she shows signs of only caring about her success and the success of her show fuck everybody else even her own employees and guests, a lot of testimonies in this video, quite fascinating.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, John876 said:

Ellen has elements of red where she shows signs of only caring about her success and the success of her show fuck everybody else even her own employees and guests, a lot of testimonies in this video, quite fascinating.

This sounds more like excessive Orange.

I very much doubt Ellen has a bunch of Red in her. She should be Orange/Green.

[Akemrelax]

On 6/26/2020 at 1:34 PM, Leo Gura said:

Jeffy rape van

You know this says a lot about women’s psychology too. 
They get attracted to Red guys like these?! 

I remember some girls were dating this guy I met at summer school. He got expelled by many schools and even failed classes. He was a drug dealer/addict/gangster. He would date smart girls so they did his homework, lol. And then take them to a forested area to make out with them. For some reason the girls kept dating him ?‍♂️ It was kinda fascinating cause even many boys were pulled or “attracted” to him lol. My friend introduced him to me despite my reluctance, he was attracted too I guess. I think he was stage red.

How desperate are women for a boyfriend?

[whatishappeningtome]

6IX9INE is an example of Red music. 

His audience must be at a low level of Spiral Dynamics development as well since he has done a lot of problematic things like being charged for sex with under-age girls and his audience doesn't seem to care.

He also went to for almost 2 years recently for being affiliated with gangs.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Akemrelax said:

How desperate are women for a boyfriend?

Women are attracted to confidence and inner strength. That's why.

Stage Red narcissists and sociopaths can be extremely charming.

[Leo Gura]

Rap battles are like verbal man-rape:

 

[Leo Gura]

HBO's Deadwood is so Red it's entertaining. Amazing show!

The guy is a worldclass whore-master.

 

[diamondpenguin]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Rap battles are like verbal man-rape:

 

Beautiful. 8 mile is my favorite movie. It's the best. It was extremely hilarious how eminem fucked I forget her name in the car factory. Rap is fun. Eminem has some serious talent. My favorite song of his is guts over fear. Good rapper. Motivational. 

Edited August 4, 2020 by diamondpenguin

[ConsciousOwl10]

This business guy on youtube is pretty psychopathic . In this vid he talks about his employment policy and how he convinces people to work for him unpaid to be his minion and how he will fire anyone who doesn't show up one time even if they would want to go their mothers funeral because they aren't committed to helping him make money 24-7. Even his friend next to him knows something is kinda fucked up about it. But I dunno, maybe I shouldn't judge? Watch from minute 3

Edited August 4, 2020 by ConsciousOwl10

[Rasheed]

Bros and sisters, I have one question:

- Is trash talking stage red?

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, ConsciousOwl10 said:

This business guy on youtube is pretty psychopathic . In this vid he talks about his employment policy and how he convinces people to work for him unpaid to be his minion and how he will fire anyone who doesn't show up one time even if they would want to go their mothers funeral because they aren't committed to helping him make money 24-7. Even his friend next to him knows something is kinda fucked up about it. But I dunno, maybe I shouldn't judge? Watch from minute 3

Can confirm, Derrick definitely has lots of Red. He is quite sociopathic and scummy.

[Kailash Bhattarai]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Can confirm, Derrick definitely has lots of Red. He is quite sociopathic and scummy.

@Leo Gura Ok, I don't like derek moneyberg. His childhood was awful and he is highly manipulative.  But where will you put Owen Cook?  Owen is very difficult to locate for me. He used to be heavily orange 8-9 years ago. But at the same time his advice are very practical and hardcore. I love his content. I see some yellow in him too, in some of his latest content. He loves Spiral Dynamics that might have helped a lot.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Kailash Bhattarai said:

But where will you put Owen Cook?

From what I understand about Owen, he had an alcoholic father who abused him, and before starting RSD Owen was a drug dealer. So Owen's past is deeply Red.

Owen has certainly evolved so much in the last 20 years, but you can tell his ego-mind is still very strong and still has some Red wounds.

He's done a great job considering where he started.

I find that many hardcore pickup guys had very troubled Red upbringing. Which is why they found pickup appealing to begin with. A healthy person would not find pickup appealing. Hardcore pickup culture is for troubled guys like Jeffy and Owen. Which is why they treat women so poorly. They are deeply wounded guys who are trying to use pussy to make themselves whole. It cannot work, but they don't know any better.

[Kailash Bhattarai]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

but you can tell his ego-mind is still very strong and still has some Red wounds.

Yes, that might be true. But still you didn't answer my question haha. What percentage of each stage do you think he has? He used to be heavily against green and very pro Ayn Rand but now he seems to be lot more emphathetic. Owen is really diffcult for me. Hence, i asked for your opinion.

Edited August 4, 2020 by Kailash Bhattarai