Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

[andyjohnsonman]

Even tho this is done as humour i feel its very accurate of stage red and incredibly funny 

 

 

[Evil Raccoon]

That anime is fucking hilarious! The behavior of the heroine is prototypical Red!

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by Evil Raccoon

[Evil Raccoon]

That game allows me to express my Red-ness without me having to go explode someone's skull on the street  

 

[Eren Eeager]

Sometimes we should remind ourselves why red people are in prison

 

[Carl-Richard]

Never seen Larratt so pissed off before haha

 

[integral]

Transition from orange/blue into red.

[Leo Gura]

Poisoning your political opponents? Yup, that's Red:

This is why Trump is paranoid about his food being poisoned.

[John Doe]

@K Ghoul To be fair, I'm not saying Gaahl himself is stage Red. I think that description is more suitable for the overall theme and ambience of black metal in general. Gaahl is more likely Orange portraying Red. "Satan."

[Carl-Richard]

46 minutes ago, John Doe said:

@K Ghoul To be fair, I'm not saying Gaahl himself is stage Red. I think that description is more suitable for the overall theme and ambience of black metal in general. Gaahl is more likely Orange portraying Red. "Satan."

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Gaahl was sentenced to 14 months in prison in February 2005 for torture and committing ritual acts. It was alleged he beat his victim — a man who had turned up uninvited and inebriated to an after-hours party at his house — threatened to sacrifice him and gave him a cup into which to bleed. Acting as his own defense, Gaahl claimed in court that he had been attacked first and his assailant was only provided with a cup "so that he wouldn't make such a mess in my house."

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gorgoroth-guitarist-released-from-norwegian-prison/

[K Ghoul]

3 hours ago, John Doe said:

@K Ghoul To be fair, I'm not saying Gaahl himself is stage Red. I think that description is more suitable for the overall theme and ambience of black metal in general. Gaahl is more likely Orange portraying Red. "Satan."

@John Doe I looked up stage Orange, "Personal freedom, self-reliance, independence" definitely applies to him.

 

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/gorgoroth-guitarist-released-from-norwegian-prison/

@Carl-Richard What are you showing me this link for   I know about Gaahl probably more than I know about myself. He is fair and just - that poor soul that trespassed on his property should just have had more respect for other people and not violate their privacy. Gaahl was just feeling generous and taught him a vital lesson on humbleness and decency, I don't see a problem in there other than that uninvited guest being ungrateful and not appreciating the lesson that was bestowed upon him. 

[Carl-Richard]

10 hours ago, K Ghoul said:

@John Doe I looked up stage Orange, "Personal freedom, self-reliance, independence" definitely applies to him.

 

@Carl-Richard What are you showing me this link for   I know about Gaahl probably more than I know about myself. He is fair and just - that poor soul that trespassed on his property should just have had more respect for other people and not violate their privacy. Gaahl was just feeling generous and taught him a vital lesson on humbleness and decency, I don't see a problem in there other than that uninvited guest being ungrateful and not appreciating the lesson that was bestowed upon him. 

I'm not trying to sound like an absolutist here, but don't you think there are more decent ways of handling that situation other than ritualistic torture? I was just pointing out how he, like many other people in that community, inhabit more red qualities than most people (nothing more, nothing less). Breaking the law in itself is most often red, but glorified violence is probably THE hallmark of red.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Carl-Richard

[K Ghoul]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I'm not trying to sound like an absolutist here, but don't you think there are more decent ways of handling that situation other than ritualistic torture? I was just pointing out how he, like many other people in that community, inhabit more red qualities than most people (nothing more, nothing less). Breaking the law in itself is most often red, but glorified violence is probably THE hallmark of red.

@Carl-Richard Gaahl abhors violence. It was unfortunate that he had to resort to such measures but some people are being so misguided that someone has to throw a hammer in their face, so to speak, in order to wake them up out of their unconscious ways of being. 

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

@Carl-Richard Gaahl abhors violence. It was unfortunate that he had to resort to such measures but some people are being so misguided that someone has to throw a hammer in their face, so to speak, in order to wake them up out of their unconscious ways of being. 

Actions speak louder than words.

[Aspiraling Wizard]

The parts in this video where Greene discusses relevant parts of the philosophy of Machiavelli are what's pertinent to this thread. Prime examples of how Machiavelli and many other Red leaders are not all bloodthirsty, tyranical and egotistical. Some of them have DEEP understandings of certain aspects of reality at a pretty big picture level. If you can tease out that stuff from the quote unquote negative side of Red.....man. There's a reason why Leo's read books on Hitler, stalin and Saddam.

[K Ghoul]

20 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Actions speak louder than words.

@Carl-Richard And not upholding your own values/principles is committing violence/crime against oneself, the lesser of two evils principles comes to mind. And given that he was never the initiator, he literally did nothing wrong. 

[K Ghoul]

22 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Actions speak louder than words.

@Carl-Richard

I’ll add this: Gaahl could have just thrown that guy in jail for trespassing with harassment, case closed. He instead chose to turn that situation into an experience that could potentially influence that person and help him become a better human being. So he extended himself and did that, and all he gets is him being portrayed as some immoral, violence glorifying villain? This is so outrageous. 

What a disgrace this world has become.

[Carl-Richard]

37 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

@Carl-Richard

I’ll add this: Gaahl could have just thrown that guy in jail for trespassing with harassment, case closed. He instead chose to turn that situation into an experience that could potentially influence that person and help him become a better human being. So he extended himself and did that, and all he gets is him being portrayed as some immoral, violence glorifying villain? This is so outrageous. 

What a disgrace this world has become.

Man I'm so done arguing against glorification of stage red.

[John Doe]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Man I'm so done arguing against glorification of stage red.

It's probably all just an act, a sort of artistic portrayal of stage Red. I don't want to be too judgemental (not claiming that you are, I can see where you're coming from). I'll admit I wasn't aware of that incident with Gaahl, holy shit. But who knows what really went down that night.

[Elisabeth]

I mean... is this for real? 

 

[Carl-Richard]

24 minutes ago, John Doe said:

But who knows what really went down that night.

He went to jail for 14 months after all.