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11 hours ago, Esoteric said:

It is more fair to put it it like that than saying a whole genre is a lower art-form. 

No you're just in denial. Distorted guitars, loud drums and aggressive vocals are inherently low consciousness.


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10 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

No you're just in denial. Distorted guitars, loud drums and aggressive vocals are inherently low consciousness.

Psychedelics are pretty distorted, loud, and aggressive.

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13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

No you're just in denial. Distorted guitars, loud drums and aggressive vocals are inherently low consciousness.

You're absolutely right. Thanks for the input, Carl.

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13 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Stage Blue?

yeah that's what i was debating between 

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5 hours ago, modmyth said:

@Esoteric  Like Dream Theater (not a big fan personally, although I have seen them live). The vibe is more... nerdy than anything, haha.

I'm willing to argue that even the virtuosos over at Dream Theater are choosing to play low consciousness music even though they're obviously capable of pretty much anything. They're attached to their brand, the "DT sound". Their music is a matter of survival for them. It's very clear if you look at their reasoning process when picking the new drummer for the band.


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Dan pena actually seems red and orange to me. His self development topic is mostly orange but has regressive elements of red too. He bashes stage green and has a gangster mindset. Same level of development as trump and putin. What do you think?

 

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@modmyth Yeah. Whenever I think of Agalloch I think of that passage you posted. It's a beautiful one.

Haha no, progressive metal is usually non-aggressive, and when it tries to be it just sounds out of place. Dream Theater was actually the first band I really got into back in 6th or 7th grade. I loved them. For me they haven't held up at all though (except for some songs, like Space Dye Vest, but that is more Kevin Moore's creativity than DT as a band). Progressive metal did get me into Tool though, and that is probably my favorite band (maybe tied with Dead Can Dance). Those 2 bands are great examples of bands that transcends genres, like you said. Even their earliest material still sounds fresh and relevant, and I think that's a testament of truly good artists.

Danny Carey is also into the Enochian material, and their work together with Alex Grey is just a perfect marriage. What a great band.

 

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2 hours ago, Kailash Bhattarai said:

 

LOL

This sounds so ridiculous once you have some God-realization.

It's people like Pena who became tyrants and mob bosses.

What Pena is missing is that if everyone in the world becomes feminine, there won't be a need for war. So the absurdity is that he wants men to be more macho in order to protect us from other macho men. LOL

Masculinity: that which is needed to protect people from the savagery of masculinity.


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14 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Psychedelics are pretty distorted, loud, and aggressive.

+1

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4 hours ago, Kailash Bhattarai said:

Dan pena actually seems red and orange to me. His self development topic is mostly orange but has regressive elements of red too. He bashes stage green and has a gangster mindset. Same level of development as trump and putin. What do you think?

 

I totally think the same. 

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Oh well, this topic derailed into a heavy metal appreciation thread. Who would've thought? xD


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@modmyth That's awesome! Aion is a great album. But I mean every album is. Within the Realm of a Dying Sun is really special to me. Brendan is amazing, very underrated indeed. I mostly resonated with songs where Lisa was at the forefront in the beginning but that quickly changed. But I mean Lisa, wow.. She channels something. I have never heard a voice like that. I love how they mix things up with soundscapes from different eras and cultures to just really well-crafted pop songs.

Yeah, Danny is an amazing drummer. But everything in Tool feels just right. You can tell they have a lot of respect for each other as musicians and for the songs in that they let everything breathe naturally and invite each other to do what is best for the song and the composition as a whole.

I have two older half-brothers, 7 and 10 years older. The younger of them was into metal and rock. Guns 'n Roses and Metallica and stuff like that. So I always had that around me growing up. The other was into Frank Zappa, Nick Cave, Bob Dylan, stuff like that. Some of which I started appreciated when I got older.

Nowadays I mostly listen to classical music. Especially Bach (which is Baroque but nowadays falls into the classical category), imo, the most accomplished musical genius and composer ever. Everything aligned just right with Bach. He had naturally gifted musical abilities, was raised in a dynasty of high-level musicians, he was very intelligent AND he was devoted to God which is very apparent in his music. It's just perfect. His violin concertos led me to other composers violin concertos like Tchaikovsky, Sibelius and Brahms which led me to their other works and on it goes :)

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On 7/1/2020 at 10:04 AM, Akemrelax said:

Some of you are too attached to metal. 

UFC is a good example of Red.

 

UFC is not red. UFC is blue and orange. Just because women and men fight, that does not mean they are red. Guys can talk about awareness and present moment, and they can be red. Talking about UFC. This brawl is red

How can you call this guy red?

 

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1 hour ago, Rasheed said:

UFC is not red. UFC is blue and orange. Just because women and men fight, that does not mean they are red. Guys can talk about awareness and present moment, and they can be red. Talking about UFC. This brawl is red

How can you call this guy red?

 

The whole idea about fighting to become the number one champion is Red at the bottom of it all.


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13 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The whole idea about fighting to become the number one champion is Red at the bottom of it all.

With that logic:

  • Becoming best entrepreneur is red.
  • Becoming best athlete is red
  • Becoming more conscious is red
  • Becoming more developed is red
  • Becoming master at the craft is red
  • If someone is hungry, it's red
  • If someone wants to be rich, it is red

What else they can fight for? Champion gets most money. Champion inspires people. And it's all about survival. THIS IS SURVIVAL. Look at this video, Poirier talks about survival: 

 


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36 minutes ago, Rasheed said:

With that logic:

  • Becoming best entrepreneur is red.
  • Becoming best athlete is red
  • Becoming more conscious is red
  • Becoming more developed is red
  • Becoming master at the craft is red
  • If someone is hungry, it's red
  • If someone wants to be rich, it is red

What else they can fight for? Champion gets most money. Champion inspires people. And it's all about survival. THIS IS SURVIVAL. Look at this video, Poirier talks about survival: 

 

Look at what I said more carefully. I said becoming the "number one" champion. To become the number one champion in mixed martial arts, you have to defeat every opponent that crosses your path. That is analogous to stage red imperialism. The only example you mentioned that could come close to that is becoming the best athlete. You may notice that the bulk of the examples you mentioned can be explained by other motivations than becoming number one, things like purpose in the case of stage blue, and becoming the best version of yourself at stage orange etc. The theme that defines the Red "number one" is complete and unrelenting domination and submission of ALL opposition, not as a means but as an end. Not that it's impossible for people in higher stages to participate in these things, but the activity itself is still Red. Things like hunger is actually stage beige.

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