Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

[Artsu]

5 hours ago, Spiritual Warrior said:

Nope, materialism is more orange than red. Aggression is more red than orange. 

That's because the stereotypes are wrong.

[Majed]

wild 

[Spiritual Warrior]

This is a story about how a stage red character was brought up, from his environment to his upbringing. How do we get a person like this to move up the spiral? You get him into a church, get him to start believing in something bigger than himself. Good luck Malcolm. 

Malcolm by G Herbo 

Once upon a time around the Southside

A young black man grew up in a house

Had a pops he never knew, with a mom thats strung out

His granny careless just about, say he'll never make it out

Of the hood and had a handful of aunties that could vouch

Young n**** named Malcolm, all his homies called him Malc'

Big brother off in college, Malcolm took another route

From gang bangin', caine slangin', moms threw him out the house

Stuck on probation, on and off since 13, been in and out

Soon as he turned 17, s*** got super wild

Still a juvenile, he just totin' Rugers now

He shotin' now, streets got him, Malcolm ruthless now

.........

Edited September 12, 2023 by Spiritual Warrior

[kray]

 

 

Sully from the netflix series top boy is a PERFECT example. Man don't feel empathy at all, just ready to kill. 

[kray]

UK Drill:

 

 

[Spiritual Warrior]

 

 

If you want to integrate a healthy stage red, this is what its all about. Thick Face Black Heart.

Necessary to integrate if you are needy for peoples approval. 

[Danioover9000]

   Really good story, shows stage red and why the right martial arts is important for fighting in real life:

 

[koops]

This 2Pac clip was on the Green Megathread.

I get it. What he is sayin is green, but there is something beneath that.

He doesn't sound like your typical green-hippie.

 

 

Is tough to put Pac in the spiral.

We was sent to jail for rape (unhealthy red).

He had the work ethic and discipline to become one of the greats: Blue

He loved the money, girls and fame: Orange.

And a lot of his music is red. And some green.

And he had some green values.

 

But check out this clip.

The words, the philosophy, the content, is green.

But it doesn't sound as green.

If some green-weak-hippie said the same words, probably wouldn't resonate that much.

But if you say this words, with that red attitude/swag, it hits different.
 

A lot of this green activists, (vegans, climate change advocates...) don't have a healthy developed red, so people get tired of those people.

They are seen as mere complainers. As weak.

They lack that visceral passion. They seem dead inside. Just focusing on some external ‘higher’ cause for validation.

Like Peterson say, people who can't even clean their fucking room.

And if they have some hate, or passion, it seem ungrounded, and unhealthy, like Greta.

 

Another example could be Mike Tyson. The fact he has that red in him that makes him lovable.

Or imagine that the stars align and Tate became green. That would be powerful. 

 

They say woman want a beast. And then domesticate that beast.

Well, that red-green combo really hits home. 

You can see it in guys like 2Pac or Mike Tyson.

Loved by women. Adored by men.
 

Green values, with red swag visceral passion.

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

[De Sade]

Alex and his droogs are sure Red (and for some people,a really unhealthy version of it)

About the goverment and the ludovico experiment,i would say they mix red with blue,perfect mix.

 

About a unhealthy red - orange mix,maybe a perfect mix of it but not so sure, i think i would go with Daniel Plainview from There Will Be Blood. Same thing with Louis Bloom.

The way of the Sith and their search for power fits really well

Ego 

Lust

 

[De Sade]

Season 5/6 rick

Ruthlessness

Season 2 Shane 

Also Simon from season 7 till the end of season 8

Brutality and Cruelty

Tyler Durden

Claude Speed

Richie

Narcissism

Machiavelli and his quotes

 

[De Sade]

Im thinking,could Chaotic Good from the Alignment Chart be considered a healthy red ?

I think that till chaotic neutral it is still healthy,about chaotic evil im not sure. What do you think ?

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

[mmKay]

 

 

[lostingenosmaze]

 

[mmKay]

On 19/1/2024 at 9:13 AM, mmKay said:

 

 

 

 

"Healthy red" compared with last one 

 

 

 

 

[mmKay]

 

 

[Majed]

 

[Majed]

 

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

The video might be a bit long, but the most important part is the dialogue that happens at 4:30 minutes 

 

 

Here is an EXCELLENT  example of the clashing of values between vMEME Purple and vMEME Red, and how the necessity of "moving up" arises.

 

That video requires some contextualization

It's a side quest from a game called "The  Witcher 3".

And  in this particular quest there's a monster who lives in the woods, called Leschen, it terrifies the villagers who lives nearby, killing some of them, and because of that, the druid/shaman of this village decided to perform a ritual by which he sacrifices some animals to offer him, in order to please the creature, but it doesn't seem to work...

And then the Witcher comes, and has been asked by the villagers if he was able to get rid of this monster once and for all. So the Witcher does a little bit of investigation and finds out who the monster was and how to kill it, but before he does that, he decides to tell the villagers in advance, because there were things they have to do in order to help to get rid of this Leschen, and the first person he approaches was the Druid/Shaman of this village...

And we can clearly see how different their worldviews are with regard to this situation:

The Druid/shaman sees the Leschen as a force of nature, and that we should not interfere with that, because that was what make them strong and resilient, and is also their bond to their ancestors (vMEME Purple).

 

While the Witcher saw it for what it is, a living creature that is dangerous for the villagers survival, and that requires an immediate response to this threat, which would killing this monster to save them(vMEME Red)

 

 

 

I won't tell you the rest because it would take too long, and the main thing I wanted to present you guys I already did.

But I highly recommend you guys to watch this video, it may help you clarify a lot about how vMEME Purple becomes unsustainable, and why it's necessary to transcend to vMEME Red

Edited January 31, 2024 by Bernardo Carleial