Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

[Rob06]

John Wick got out of Stage Red, but get's sucked back into it.

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Rob06

[Raze]

 

[Raze]

 

[DIVINATOR]

Is scape-goating to be considered red?

[Bernardo Carleial]

17 hours ago, DIVINATOR said:

Is scape-goating to be considered red?

Scape-goating can be done at any stage.

It's the result of an attached and non-purified ego, which the majority of us humans are still plagued with...

Edited August 14, 2022 by Bernardo Carleial

[DIVINATOR]

20 hours ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

It's the result of an attached and non-purified ego.

But isn't one more likely to do scape-goating the larger one's ego is; and isn't one more likely to be red the larger one's ego is, thus these correlate?

Or am I biased and/or prejudiced here?

Sorry if my English is bad.

Edited August 15, 2022 by DIVINATOR

[Bernardo Carleial]

16 hours ago, DIVINATOR said:

Or am I biased and/or prejudiced here?

Not necessarily... I actually see what you mean.

The lower the stage, the more prone one might be to scape-goat, but if we also take in consideration the Integral Method, we'll also see that there are different aspects of life by which one might be more developed than the other, for example: one might be very ethical and trustworthy when it comes to his business and/or with his finances, but he can be a disaster when it comes to being loyal to his spouse, or being a good parent, etc....

The point is: is almost inevitable that we humans might have some hidden traumas that we don't want solve, maybe not right now, and that goes regardless of any stage(of course with different degrees...), and one of the ways we might do to defend ourselves from it is by projecting and scapegoating our problems towards other people or situations..

[Ulax]

 

Notice the need for strong assertiveness and need to engage in violence if necessary

Edited August 17, 2022 by Ulax

[DIVINATOR]

@Bernardo Carleial You're brilliant! Thank you for expanding my understanding. 

What is the Integral Method? Is that in the SD Model? I am currently reading the book. Is that in there?

[Danioover9000]

   Fantastic example of a person who's value system is mostly stage red, whose cognition is similar to a bipolar personality or borderline personality, Who's very extroverted and some degree of Narcissism, low empathy, low morals, who grew up in I think the West coasts in basically a gang and street culture, Whose environmental factors, life experiences and other domains of life where at such a limit, that he was able to take that aggression and put that into rapping as a Emcee: Warning, cursing, name calling, foul language, punchy freestyle. You have been warned.

 

[lostingenosmaze]

 

[Bernardo Carleial]

18 hours ago, DIVINATOR said:

@Bernardo Carleial You're brilliant! Thank you for expanding my understanding. 

What is the Integral Method? Is that in the SD Model? I am currently reading the book. Is that in there?

@DIVINATOR if you wanna understand the integral model, I recommend you take a look at this page:

https://integrallife.com/what-is-integral-approach/

And do a research on Ken Wilber,  which is the one who developed the Integral Theory.

[integral]

Healthy Red, the Selfish Hero who fight only for himself, with honor "I'd rather die standing, than live kneeling", fearless with everything to lose, unbound strength that comes from sheer focus and will.

Standing his ground to die immortal. My will is absolute. 

Edited September 20, 2022 by integral

[kray]

https://youtu.be/dGf5cSRsyXo
 

[Chuco]

 

[mmKay]

Great healthy stage red example. take notes if you catch your daughter dating Andrew Tate types  as @Leo Gura recommended lol

Den of Thieves 2018 (Enson) 50 Cent threatens his daughter's boyfriend. "FULL SCENE".Den of Thieves 2018 (Enson) 50 Cent threatens his daughter's boyfriend. "FULL SCENE". ( YOUTUBE )

Edited November 19, 2022 by mmKay

[Majed]

if you have watched the ego development theory, this is clearly a stereotype of the opportunist stage of ego development. lots of blaming, magical thinking to make sense of the world, physical words for non physical stuff...

on the other hand you have compassion for this dude, his life was certainly not easy

[supremeyingyang]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veerappan

Unbelieveable. Trust me.

[Tatyana]

On 04.07.2020 at 0:46 PM, Lyubov said:

Red seems to also be more open to mystical experience vs orange's rationalistic thinking. lil ze from city of god I remember went to go see a shaman. I think this opening to the mystical is the gateway to blue.

Magical, mystical, shamans are actually the characteristics of stage Purple. Nothing and nobody is purely one stage and Red very often goes together with Purple as they are neighboring stages. For example, I heard that the person who calls himself Russian president goes to visit shamans from time to time and participates in rituals (sacrificial offerings involving killing animals) that he believes will bring him power and luck. They say that mystical (Purple) trends are very popular with the higher echelons and people around them. And this is just one example of their Purple consciousness. There are more.

[Tatyana]

On 19.10.2020 at 1:48 AM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but I now recontextualize that as part of the state's overall national security response. The man's mind is clearly not stage Red in interviews. He is a very thoughtful guy, not impulsive at all. He's highly disciplined and he's also able to understand the perspectives of other sides very well. He's got an impressive intellect and wisdom. You also have to take into account the difficult situation he's in. Transitioning Russia into a modern democratic state is no small feat.

Think of the poisonings as akin to US drone strikes.

Ha-ha-ha. It’s so funny. I heard someone say recently that the Kremlin propaganda (of which Putin is certainly a part) can deceive even the brightest minds.  You are a living proof of that! It’s one thing that the KGB/FSB people can do better than probably anyone else in the world - lie, deceive and pretend. Make everybody believe that they are nice Blue/Orange guys, who want nothing else but “take good care of their people” and turn “Russia into a modern democratic state”. These are lies! Russia has been degrading since Putin/ KGB/FSB people came to power: destroyed economy, destroyed social welfare systems, numerous internal repressions under the guise of “national security”.  People wanting to change the government is a threat to national security! What a fantastic democratic state they are building! And there is no state by the way. It’s a fiction. It’s a fake construct maintained with one purpose only – let them steal as much as they want as long as they want and let them avoid the responsibility. It’s a terrorist state.

Edited December 10, 2022 by Tatyana