Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

[hyruga]

9 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

The red value system triggers me a tad bit, what should I do?

It just seems so barbaric.

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[K Ghoul]

 

[High-valance]

Instantiates how stage red is born out of harsh environments where red values and functioning is necessary for surviving and meeting one's basic needs. 

Edited April 9, 2022 by High-valance

[Bernardo Carleial]

(WARNING: this video is graphic, viewer discretion is advised)

Spoiler Alert: the following video contains spoilers from the Invincible animated series. 

 

I generally don't like to give too many examples on the vMEME Red Mega-Thread coming from the industry (games and movies). Because they tend to bastardize a lot they're worldview, by means of irrational, excessive and pointless violence,  just to make it look good on the screens...

But this particular example is very illuminating, it shows very well the transition phase from vMEME Red to vMEME Blue, which occurs, in the words of Claire Graves, when Red reaches its peak and realizes that it is unsustainable to maintain that kind of attitude any longer, and the way that occurs is through guilt and shame for one's own actions towards others, that the harm inflicted on other people also affects him in the process,  he also have a more tangible feeling of what mortality really means for us humans,  making him/her much more cautious whenever he/she wants to take impulsive actions...

Spoiler Alert: in case some of you guys did not understood what was going on in that video, that character is a "Super-Man" type of character,  who was sent to Earth in order to colonize humans,  and the other character (the one who's being beaten up) is his son, who tries to stop him from doing it.

Edited April 21, 2022 by Bernardo Carleial

[Bernardo Carleial]

a very nuanced documentary, talking about a vMEME Red Dictatorship 

[Geopo]

Here's an example of a stage Red/Blue event. This is a recent basketball game in Aleppo, Syria. Both teams are from Aleppo. Often these games are very aggressive and sometimes brutal fights happen at the end, no matter who has won. You can hear the national anthem played in the beginning and the announcer saying a few words about the teams' history after that, all be it in Arabic haha.

Al Jalaa (1).mp4

[ZenAlex]

On 26/06/2020 at 10:54 PM, Moon said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Isn't this not stage blue?

[Bernardo Carleial]

 

[Carl-Richard]

 

 

Story behind the song:

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Robert Fripp:

Thela Hun Ginjeet is an anagramistic title. The song has to do with urban violence, crime in the streets, being mugged
You know, all those kind of useful social comments
Now, there's a line in which the singer has to act the part of a person who is being mugged
And Adrian one day went to the studio and got in front of the microphone
And was saying, "He held a gun against my head, this is a dangerous place
I wouldn't like to live here"
You know, which isn't awfully convincing
So I said to him, why don't you take this pocket cassette machine and walk around the block
And get a bit more of a feel of what it's like to be on the street
So he went around the block, walking and talking into the machine
And as he walked around the corner he said into the machine
"This is a dangerous place, He held a gun against my head, I wouldn't like to live here"
And immediately got set on by a street gang
They said, "Hey man! Hey man! What-what you got there?"

 

Adrian Belew:

So, suddenly, these two guys appear in front of me
They stopped
Real aggressive
Start at me, you know
"W-what's that? What's that on that tape?"
"Yeah, what do you got there?"
I said, "Nothing"
"What are you talking into that for?"
"It's just a tape, you know"
"Well play it for me"
I said "Oh, no"
I put 'em off as long as I could
And finally they turned it on, you know
They grabbed it from me
Took it away from me
Turned it on
And it says, "He held a gun in his hand, this is a dangerous place."
They said, "What dangerous place?" "What gun?" "You're a policeman!"
And the deeper I fought, the worse I got into it
I talked, I told him... I said, "Look man, I'm not talkin'..."
It went on forever
Anyway, I finally unbuttoned my shirt, and said,
"Look, look... I'm in this band here, you know, I'm in this band you know
And we're makin' a recording, you know
And it's just about New York City, it's about crime in the streets..."
The explanation was going nowhere, but
Finally, they just kinda let me go, I don't know why
So I walk around the corner
And I'm like shakin' like a leaf now
And I thought, "This is a dangerous place" once again, you know
Who should appear but two policemen *laughs*

 

[Bernardo Carleial]

I'm not criticizing the music genre, but the kind of environment that these guys were in is very vMEME Red.

[Rob06]

John Wick got out of Stage Red, but get's sucked back into it.

 

Edited July 24, 2022 by Rob06

[Raze]

 

[Raze]

 

[DIVINATOR]

Is scape-goating to be considered red?

[Bernardo Carleial]

17 hours ago, DIVINATOR said:

Is scape-goating to be considered red?

Scape-goating can be done at any stage.

It's the result of an attached and non-purified ego, which the majority of us humans are still plagued with...

Edited August 14, 2022 by Bernardo Carleial

[DIVINATOR]

20 hours ago, Bernardo Carleial said:

It's the result of an attached and non-purified ego.

But isn't one more likely to do scape-goating the larger one's ego is; and isn't one more likely to be red the larger one's ego is, thus these correlate?

Or am I biased and/or prejudiced here?

Sorry if my English is bad.

Edited August 15, 2022 by DIVINATOR

[Bernardo Carleial]

16 hours ago, DIVINATOR said:

Or am I biased and/or prejudiced here?

Not necessarily... I actually see what you mean.

The lower the stage, the more prone one might be to scape-goat, but if we also take in consideration the Integral Method, we'll also see that there are different aspects of life by which one might be more developed than the other, for example: one might be very ethical and trustworthy when it comes to his business and/or with his finances, but he can be a disaster when it comes to being loyal to his spouse, or being a good parent, etc....

The point is: is almost inevitable that we humans might have some hidden traumas that we don't want solve, maybe not right now, and that goes regardless of any stage(of course with different degrees...), and one of the ways we might do to defend ourselves from it is by projecting and scapegoating our problems towards other people or situations..

[Ulax]

 

Notice the need for strong assertiveness and need to engage in violence if necessary

Edited August 17, 2022 by Ulax

[DIVINATOR]

@Bernardo Carleial You're brilliant! Thank you for expanding my understanding. 

What is the Integral Method? Is that in the SD Model? I am currently reading the book. Is that in there?

[Danioover9000]

   Fantastic example of a person who's value system is mostly stage red, whose cognition is similar to a bipolar personality or borderline personality, Who's very extroverted and some degree of Narcissism, low empathy, low morals, who grew up in I think the West coasts in basically a gang and street culture, Whose environmental factors, life experiences and other domains of life where at such a limit, that he was able to take that aggression and put that into rapping as a Emcee: Warning, cursing, name calling, foul language, punchy freestyle. You have been warned.