If life is based on opposites, is anything I can add actually needed?

[Matys]

Not sure where to ask about this so I thought I'd post a comment here to see some opinions.

I know that is my mind creating a logical hiccup by obsessing over the technicality of conflicting concepts, but I've been snagged on what constitutes worthwhile action when it seems all spiritual teachings seem to teach of the world being made of necessary opposites. I feel called through feelings of empathy and compassion to want to create means to make people more conscious, but is that itself being unaccepting of the world as it is? And people as they are? I've become uncertain of my path forward when the fundamentals of the world seem based on polarization, and hate the idea of just being an opposite to yet another force. I wish not to be cynical, but it seems like a pointless cycle where people will ultimately come to life conclusions based off circumstances or grace beyond their control. What use is anything I can do, regardless of my calling towards it? I cannot even dictate my spiritual impulse, so what right can I possibly have in assuming people need to be more conscious or loving if life has naturally brought them to be closed or spiteful? My own view is based only off my own life circumstances and perspective that I myself could not have avoided, and therefore cannot claim ownership or merit over. Sorry for the wordy-ness, it's a bit tough to explain and I've been a bit at odds with myself over it.

Thanks for reading through if you did, would really appreciate some thoughts.

[ivankiss]

It's only 'based on opposites' to a mind.

Paradox is only known to mind. Duality is. Polarization.

The heart knows nothing about opposites.

The heart only beats. 

The heart only Loves.

[Matys]

 

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

 

46 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

It's only 'based on opposites' to a mind.

Paradox is only known to mind. Duality is. Polarization.

The heart knows nothing about opposites.

The heart only beats. 

The heart only Loves.

I feel cornered while simultaneously knowing I cannot force myself to embody the direction that this points.

[ivankiss]

@Matys I feel ya. I've been trapped in that corner before, too. 

In a sense; it's exactly how and where you should be. 'Frozen' and 'static'. It's not meant to be pleasant.

But sooner or later the notion of it will melt away. Only Love remains.

[Matys]

2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Matys I feel ya. I've been trapped in that corner before, too. 

In a sense; it's exactly how and where you should be. 'Frozen' and 'static'. It's not meant to be pleasant.

But sooner or later the notion of it will melt away. Only Love remains.

I've been under the impression that this time is necessary, I have a lot I could say but I suppose it's all fairly self-evident and pointless in being said. Thank you for validating my experience, it takes away some of my resistance, fear and anger. 

[SoonHei]

you choosing to not-add is equally unneeded

zero-sum game, either way you spin it

what to do then?

whatsoever your heart desires bruh

[Nahm]

@Matys

In thinking a lot (too much imo) about what other people think or might think, you’re missing the obviousness that it’s all up to you and the only point is your experience. It can be relieving to realize you’ve never once experienced what anyone else is thinking, or if anyone else is thinking at all. You’re already completely absolutely free, and there are billions of people and countless advertising channels and outlets. The benefit of the large numbers is you can do whatever you want and some folks will resonate. In a conversation about this once, I challenged someone to think up the most ridiculous thing that no one would ever be interested and buy. They thought of “a jar of farts”. They googled it, and indeed it was listed on EBay, and there had already been bids for it. You’re good to go. ?? 

Also, desire is that of wanting to know the wholeness of self. It appears in countless forms and pursuits. So, what people most desire, is consciousness, though most seem not to realize this nor use the forum’s common vernacular. Do your ‘raising consciousness thing’ man, and perhaps aim to make it assessable to the “muggles”. Off the top of my head sts, there’s billions of people who would probably like to realize opposites is the nature of concept, of thought, not a facet of reality, because as @mandyjw has pointed out to us, there is no opposition. 

And here’s an example of how this is utilized to bullshit us / ourselves / ourself...

 

“whatsoever your heart desires bruh”

THIS!  

[WaveInTheOcean]

all you need to "add" is the obvious fact that everything is you. that life is nirvana. nirvana, life. 

see my post here: 

 

[Matys]

Just wanted to post again and thank everyone for the lovely responses and points of view. I remain roughly where I started but think perhaps now is just simply the time for that to be the case in my life.

[Nak Khid]

On 6/26/2020 at 10:42 AM, Matys said:

If life is based on opposites

You are saying this in a forum where the vast majority believe in nondualism which would not agree with that at all 

 

 

[Matys]

3 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

You are saying this in a forum where the vast majority believe in nondualism which would not agree with that at all 

 

 

Just to be a playful prick with this idea, doesn't believing in non-dualism immediately imply that they don't believe in it's opposite?

[Nak Khid]

On 6/26/2020 at 10:42 AM, Matys said:

I've become uncertain of my path forward when the fundamentals of the world seem based on polarization, and hate the idea of just being an opposite to yet another force. I wish not to be cynical, but it seems like a pointless cycle where people will ultimately come to life conclusions based off circumstances or grace beyond their control. What use is anything I can do, regardless of my calling towards it? I cannot even dictate my spiritual impulse, so what right can I possibly have in assuming people need to be more conscious or loving if life has naturally brought them to be closed or spiteful? My own view is based only off my own life circumstances and perspective that I myself could not have avoided, and therefore cannot claim ownership or merit over. Sorry for the wordy-ness, it's a bit tough to explain and I've been a bit at odds with myself over it.

Thanks for reading through if you did, would really appreciate some thoughts.

This is vague. What are some of the details?

Edited June 28, 2020 by Nak Khid

[Forestluv]

7 minutes ago, Matys said:

doesn't believing in non-dualism immediately imply that they don't believe in it's opposite?

Consider a coin. We could say that one side is heads and the opposite side is tails. From one perspective, this is true. We could also say that the coin is both heads and tails. This is true from another perspective. We could also say that the coin is neither heads nor tails. This is also true. Each perspective is true from that perspective and each perspective is partially true within the holism of all three perspectives. 

As well, notice how there is no opposite until the mind creates that opposite. The mind needs to create the idea that one side is heads and the opposite side is tails. That idea has lots of value. For example, at the start of some sports events a coin is flipped to see who gets the ball first. Here, we need to have a construct of two separate sides: heads and tails. Without that opposing sides of the coin, we couldn’t use the coin flip to make a binary decision. Each time the coin is flipped, the result would be “coin”. 

[Matys]

4 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Consider a coin. We could say that one side is heads and the opposite side is tails. From one perspective, this is true. We could also say that the coin is both heads and tails. This is true from another perspective. We could also say that the coin is neither heads nor tails. This is also true. Each perspective is true from that perspective and each perspective is partially true within the holism of all three perspectives. 

As well, notice how there is no opposite until the mind creates that opposite. The mind needs to create the idea that one side is heads and the opposite side is tails. That idea has lots of value. For example, at the start of some sports events a coin is flipped to see who gets the ball first. Here, we need to have a construct of two separate sides: heads and tails. Without that opposing sides of the coin, we couldn’t use the coin flip to make a binary decision. Each time the coin is flipped, the result would be “coin”. 

I suppose then the problem isn't the reality but the series of symbols and images we use to convey our ideas to each other? Or not necessarily that they are a problem, but they create the illusion which I'm conflicted with?

Edited June 28, 2020 by Matys

[Forestluv]

43 minutes ago, Matys said:

I suppose then the problem isn't the reality but the series of symbols and images we use to convey our ideas to each other? Or not necessarily that they are a problem, but they create the illusion which I'm conflicted with?

It’s a lot easier to observe a two-sided coin with detachment. It’s a lot harder when we add in self/human desires and survival. If the “heads” side is me getting beat up with baseball bats and the “tails” side is me not getting beat up with baseball bats, new dynamics are added in. 

As well, the coin being both heads and tails, does not exclude the perspective that there is a heads side and a tails side. The two perspectives are not mutually exclusive. The mind creates incompatible paradoxes. . . .Reality is Perfect Now and reality is imperfect relative to future reality to which the Perfect Reality moves. . . .I am Perfect Now and I am a work in progress. 

[Matys]

28 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

It’s a lot easier to observe a two-sided coin with detachment. It’s a lot harder when we add in self/human desires and survival. If the “heads” side is me getting beat up with baseball bats and the “tails” side is me not getting beat up with baseball bats, new dynamics are added in. 

As well, the coin being both heads and tails, does not exclude the perspective that there is a heads side and a tails side. The two perspectives are not mutually exclusive. The mind creates incompatible paradoxes. . . .Reality is Perfect Now and reality is imperfect relative to future reality to which the Perfect Reality moves. . . .I am Perfect Now and I am a work in progress. 

Once again I have a feeling towards the direction but without an ability to make a definite sense of it. Great metaphors and explaination though, I really appreciate it.