America is going for Herd Immunity- there are too many Anti-maskers and Anti-vaxers

[Nak Khid]

6 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

 

@Nak Khid kids will be kids, have fun playing with your masks 

you mean the doctors in the infectious disease ICUs ? 

[DrewNows]

6 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

you mean the doctors in the infectious disease ICUs ? 

Yup those too!  

paradigm locked by all that damn schooling 

[Nak Khid]

@DrewNows

There's no point in debating masks. Multi millions of Americas have decided not to wear them.  
So we have to start looking at what the consequences of this virus are going to be. 

5 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

Yup those too!  

paradigm locked by all that damn schooling 

Are you in the United States?  What is you prediction for COVID-19 effects in the next few months? 

[Forestluv]

37 minutes ago, DrewNows said:

@Serotoninluv limiting yourself and others as being empaths or not can be quite limiting, I would try to refrain from that tbh 

Some beings have certain natural abilities. I’m not saying these abilities can’t be developed, yet some beings have a natural aptitude. There are many abilities I lack. It’s not a derogatory thing.

[DrewNows]

@Nak Khid debating is fruitless, but yes I am, I’ve traveled the east coast and I saw no viruses ???

my predictions matter not, I don’t look at the statistics without scrutiny 

[DrewNows]

@Serotoninluv I wasn’t implying it is derogatory. what is your zodiac sign? 

[Nak Khid]

This is how a mask can be used.   (you see if you can get an N95, those are the more effective ones. )
But with  any mask you can get a hold of you put the mask on when going into a store, elevator or any place where you are in closer proximity to people.
Then if you feel like it you take off the mask, let it hang below the chin if you are walking down a street where there are only a couple of people. 
If you do this and have touched anything in public you use the hand sanitizer before touching the mask again to put it back on your face. 
So it's not on for hours and hours. 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Nak Khid

[DrewNows]

@Nak Khid that’s cool bro the tea just isn’t for everyone...

Edited June 25, 2020 by DrewNows

[Consept]

In the states it's around a 5% death rate if you catch, heavily weighted to people over 65 but younger people have obviously died from it as well. If the US go full herd immunity, I think population is around 350 million, in my simplistic calculation you're looking at 17.5 million deaths. I'd like to think if the deaths did start ramping up, there would be another lockdown or whatever is needed to stem the deaths. So question is how bad will it get before measures are put in place again? 

Also I doubt every state will go full herd immunity but who knows 

[Leo Gura]

It's been pretty obvious for a few months now that America is not going to be able to suppress the virus like China.

We are gonna have to face it head-on because the leadership isn't capable of anything else at this point and the people are too ignorant for effective coordination.

This is the price of arrogance and ignorance.

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Wow, the first 10 seconds of the first video is beyond insensitive in many ways. Mocking Covid respiratory failure and George Floyd via the trivial discomfort of wearing a mask.. . . That’s about as low as I’ve seen.

incredibly tone deaf to the highest degree 

[Lyubov]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's been pretty obvious for a few months now that America is not going to be able to suppress the virus like China.

We are gonna have to face it head-on because the leadership isn't capable of anything else at this point and the people are too ignorant for effective coordination.

This is the price of arrogance and ignorance.

I always wondered if stage blue countries have an edge fighting the virus because the citizenry is used to authoritarian measures thus it is easer to enforce stay at home orders. Then again countries like South Korea and Japan did a decent job so my case study may be flawed. Seems orange countries are having the worst time handling it. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Lyubov

[Nak Khid]

11 minutes ago, Consept said:

In the states it's around a 5% death rate if you catch, heavily weighted to people over 65 but younger people have obviously died from it as well. If the US go full herd immunity, I think population is around 350 million, in my simplistic calculation you're looking at 17.5 million deaths. I'd like to think if the deaths did start ramping up, there would be another lockdown or whatever is needed to stem the deaths. So question is how bad will it get before measures are put in place again? 

Also I doubt every state will go full herd immunity but who knows 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/health/florida-coronavirus-cases-young-people/index.html

Florida is seeing Covid-19 cases skyrocket among young people

By Elizabeth Cohen and Dakin Andone, CNN

Updated 3:35 PM ET, Thu June 25,

"What we've seen, particularly over the last week, is a real explosion in new cases amongst our younger demographics," DeSantis said in a news conference in Orlando earlier this week.

"Half of these positive tests are in that 34 and under age group, and the bulk of the tests that we are seeing are really the 25- to 34-year-olds," the governor said. "They represent the largest share of all positive tests by a pretty decent margin for anyone throughout the course of the pandemic."

https://time.com/5859790/cdc-coronavirus-estimates/

CDC Head Estimates U.S. Coronavirus Cases Might be 10 Times Higher Than Data Show

In a press briefing on June 25, Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), said that the current official count of COVID-19 cases in the U.S. may actually be a drastic underestimate.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I always wondered if stage blue countries have an edge fighting the virus because the citizenry is used to authoritarian measures thus it is easer to enforce stay at home orders.

Sure, although those countries might also have less resources to mount an effective response.

Americans are uniquely individualistic, arrogant, and stubborn. It's like herding cats.

[Forestluv]

55 minutes ago, Consept said:

In the states it's around a 5% death rate if you catch, heavily weighted to people over 65 but younger people have obviously died from it as well. If the US go full herd immunity, I think population is around 350 million, in my simplistic calculation you're looking at 17.5 million deaths. I'd like to think if the deaths did start ramping up, there would be another lockdown or whatever is needed to stem the deaths. So question is how bad will it get before measures are put in place again? 

Also I doubt every state will go full herd immunity but who knows 

Is your 17.5 million deaths simply 350 million people * 5% death rate? Not everyone of those 350 million people will contract the virus. However. . . Without mitigation, the hospitals will reach 100% capacity and people will start dying because they don’t have access to medical care - for example people with a heart attack, car accident, cancer etc. These would be indirectly due to covid, yet if we add these in, the death toll could reach the millions if there is no mitigation. 

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Americans are uniquely individualistic, arrogant, and stubborn. It's like herding cats.

A lot of Americans seem to do the opposite of “the other side”. If Obama was president and all the liberals said to go out and socialize without face masks, I wonder if a lot of Trumpers would do the opposite to rebel. Would they wear masks and socially distance to “own the libs”?

[Parththakkar12]

9 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I always wondered if stage blue countries have an edge fighting the virus because the citizenry is used to authoritarian measures thus it is easer to enforce stay at home orders. Then again countries like South Korea and Japan did a decent job so my case study may be flawed. Seems orange countries are having the worst time handling it. 

Stage Blue takes religion and superstitious thinking more seriously than science.

[Consept]

9 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

Is your 17.5 million deaths simply 350 million people * 5% death rate? Not everyone of those 350 million people will contract the virus. However. . . Without mitigation, the hospitals will reach 100% capacity and people will start dying because they don’t have access to medical care - for example people with a heart attack, car accident, cancer etc. These would be indirectly due to covid, yet if we add these in, the death toll could reach the millions if there is no mitigation. 

Yes its very simplistic lol. But youre right that is more the issue, when something like covid spikes and everyone gets it at once the hospitals get overwhelmed, this was the issue when the virus first broke. I think realistically youd get states locking down individually, going through a 'herd immunity' is too much to stomach and too much pressure on a poor healthcare system. The strategy is not even really proven, Sweden didnt have a lockdown and their antibodies in the population is not much more than places that had a full lockdown, not to mention theyre not 100% you cant contract it again. Sweden people do have common sense though and many self isolated anyway, which wont be the case in the states. 

It wouldnt surprise me if America got toward a million deaths from this but i hope not 

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Consept said:

Yes its very simplistic lol. But youre right that is more the issue, when something like covid spikes and everyone gets it at once

1% is a more realistic mortality rate, IMO.

[mandyjw]

8 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

A lot of Americans seem to do the opposite of “the other side”. 

Americans have grasped a very fundamental spiritual truth. Life is for living, the feeling of freedom is worth more than the security that comes with being a slave to fear. However we have a materialistic misunderstanding about what freedom really is, and so we are still driven by a fear of our freedoms being taken or lost. Freedom is a feeling that can never be taken, it's Love itself. 

Playing Devil's advocate is free will's favorite game. We have reactive impulses to correct imbalance, not seeing that imbalance is fundamentally whole in itself. There is no us, no other and the notion of balance is imaginary. True freedom is when we are no longer compelled by our reactive impulses. True freedom requires no protection, no one can take it. Someone who reacts automatically against his freedoms being taken is in that moment completely automatic, a slave. It's almost as bad as someone who seeks their security in trusting in some sort of a structure. 

Until freedom is understood on a psychological and spiritual level, we're gonna continue to fight with each other. 

[Consept]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

1% is a more realistic mortality rate, IMO.

5% is the current rate of all those tested but of course most havent been tested and majority of people who get it will be asymptomatic so they wont even know theyve got it so in all likelihood it will be much lower. Even if we go to 0.5% youre still looking at least a million deaths.

 

2 hours ago, mandyjw said:

Until freedom is understood on a psychological and spiritual level, we're gonna continue to fight with each other. 

Exactly, i think America has a misunderstanding of freedom, which is soaked in fear. Their gun policy demonstrates this, i would say America is an outlier in the western world, their history being a big factor. UK has been pretty bad in terms of the virus but America are way out ahead