Resources For INTP's

[Roy]

Interesting, my type changed from exactly a year ago when I did the myers briggs test.

I was INFJ, now I'm INFP.

Then again I have hit personal development pretty hard core and done a lot of deep introspection.

My partner is like the complete opposite though but we're similar in so many ways too. Opposites attract I guess! Getting her to take the test again now wonder if she's changed too.

Edit: Her result last year was ENFP. Now she's a INFP like me haha. I'm rubbing off on her!

Edited June 19, 2020 by Roy

[Camerong]

INTP here been looking into this for ages all over the internet and have found that there are multiple different systems with there own theories and nuances that are all interesting and relevant. 

Ive been learning from this channel for around a year and a half and this one is by far the most advanced and a head of its time. This channel has completely changed my life and forever how I see myself and others including social interactions and situations in general. Make no mistake in thinking the info on this channel is the same as every over mbti channel because it’s miles a head of every other system I’ve been through including socionics. It’s given me an almost omniscient lens when it comes to reading all social situations and understanding myself and people I haven’t even met. I can’t exaggerate this enough because this is such a cutting edge system and when I saw this thread posted it would be a crime for me not to recommend this specific channel.

 

 

 

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, Godhead said:

@Leo Gura How would you define personality? where does it "come from"? 

It comes from your genetics/karma, we could say.

[remember]

22 minutes ago, modmyth said:

There are layers of judgment that approach universalism, that do its best to approximate it. It is qualitatively different than something that is purely subjective, and only claims to be purely subjective, in the way that our experiences tend to be very split off from each other. Both in a direct way (we are not sharing the exact same experience), and in a modern sense of people tending to come from different backgrounds, cultures, having different life experiences, etc.

yes, but these are only always pictures. this is basic platon, i‘ve approached this through design philosophy, there is no objectivity! if anything is close to being objective it is indeed to admit that we as humans cannot claim total objectivity. everything which is called objective is not only perspectival but also functionally and formally subjective.

which does not mean there is nothing outside of subjectivity. and also does not mean there are no dynamics or mechanics outside of subjectivity.

Edited June 19, 2020 by remember

[remember]

7 minutes ago, modmyth said:

@remember  I agree with you in a sense, I'm pretty loose when it comes to -isms or -ists, or let's just say with language, concept, or image-based systems in generals.

Which is why I say approximating or approaching universalism. It functions like a universal system, which means it's a type of closed system. It's necessary in order for a lot of our systems to work properly, at least with our current capacities.

universalism is also a construct - only if you embody it you are approximating it.

but basically we are on the same track.

Edited June 19, 2020 by remember

[Lyubov]

Wow cool thread, I'm an INFP

I'm looking to add more direction to my life and life purpose. I sort of don't have many long term plans and I would like to build more of a career or a business that supports me financially and makes a positive/conscious change on the world.

I'd also like to integrate my past more, let it go, be able to handle my emotions better / heal more and love myself more fully. 

I also like parties and socializing quite a bit but I think it's a misnomer that introverts don't like this 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Lyubov

[Himanshu]

An older post attempting to analyze Leo using MBTI

Drawing a broad stroke here, but it seems to me that Leo's insistence on Love is him fully immersing himself in his Extraverted Feeling (inferior function) and from that accessing the whole stack of 8 functions.

The following quotes are from the book Lectures on Jung's Typology by James Hillman and Marie-Louise von Franz:

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In the realm of the inferior function there is a great concentration of life, so that as soon as the superior function is worn out – begins to rattle and lose oil like an old car – if people succeed in turning to their inferior function they will rediscover a new potential of life.

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 the inferior function is actually the connection with one’s deepest instincts, with one’s inner roots, and is, so to speak, that which connects us with the whole past of mankind.

 

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To assimilate a function means to live with that one function in the foreground.

 

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.. another general feature of the inferior function: namely, a tremendous charge of emotion is generally connected with its processes. As soon as you get into this realm people easily become emotional.

 

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The inferior function is an important bridge to the experience of the deeper layers of the unconscious. Going to it and staying with it, not just taking a quick bath in it, effects a tremendous change in the whole structure of the personality.

 

From a Psychological / Jungian perspective, this is what Wholeness looks like:

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If someone has really gone through this transformation he can use his thinking function, if that is the appropriate reaction, or he can let intuition or sensation come into operation, but he is no longer possessed by one dominant function.

That is, the ability to consciously choose any function as required by the situation instead of, for example, going to the default of Introverted Thinking (for an INTP) or Introverted Feeling (for an INFP) etc.

[Camerong]

@Himanshu 

3 hours ago, Himanshu said:

Drawing a broad stroke here, but it seems to me that Leo's insistence on Love is him fully immersing himself in his Extraverted Feeling (inferior function) and from that accessing the whole stack of 8 functions.

Fe is not necessarily the love function. Fi is aslo focused on love. It’s just a different approach because it’s about what that person feels more than how others feel it’s nothing really to do with love. They’re both made like that so that two people can be compatible. Usually the Fi user feels a certain way and the Fe user can read how they feel and that’s a component of how compatibility works. If everyone were Fe users then people would get on each other’s nerves more than love each over. 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Camerong

[Leo Gura]

Infinite Consciousness transcends all these silly functions. Love & Consciousness are not functions.

[Max_V]

@Leo Gura That's true.

But if we look at it from a relative perspective, archetypes and different elements are inherent into how reality expresses itself. 

Most of the recognized personality theory, (that Jung talks about for example), stems from the study of different elements like Fire, Air, Water, etc. and how everbody has a different makeup and balance of these. The different mixtures of life's elements give rise to the different archetypes and personalities

But I guess if you take everything to it's ultimatum, the boundaries collapse, and there is nothing left. Though for the sake of growth, I think these theories can be quite helpful in charting a personal map.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Max_V

[Girzo]

@Lyubov I think there are as many INFPs as INTPs, because they both focus on developing intuition when being adults.

[CultivateLove]

@Camerong I agree with most of what you say, yet I would advice to take whatever he says with a spoonful of salt whenever he tries explain enlightenment or other spiritual concepts with this model, he's got a pretty heavy "when all you've got is a hammer, the world looks like a nail" syndrome, it's like this model is his metaphysics, which is quite limiting.

Otherwise, I've found that actually most of what he says about the types themselves and how they interact with each other to be quite shockingly accurate to my experience.

Edited June 20, 2020 by CultivateLove
typo + further clarification

[Camerong]

@Leo Gura 

of course but there’s also an intelligence to be appreciated when looking at how these functions cause people to harmonise and how in the basic human form of social functioning there’s multiple ways that love is naturally expressed and received depending on the type and compatibility. Society evolves through multiple different domains of specialities for that to happen people need to function in specialised ways while harmonising with others, but also giving and receiving love in different ways with each type having their own way and when this fits together this creates compatibility and multiple different forms of experiencing love with perfect harmony depending on compatibility. Studying these functions shows the genius of how this all intelligently fits together. It’s like looking at a forest. The forest is full of natural systems that harmonise all the life to work together without fault. It’s the same with humans. We have relatively higher order functioning compared to animals naturally but that realm of higher order functioning can be studied to be a natural harmonising system just like in a forest. 

Its also not genetic. It’s just one in 16 particular specialities of functioning that are expressed. There’s interestingly a consistent certain amount of each type in a culture according to studies which is speculated to be because there needs to be more of a certain type and less of another for society to function as a whole. It’s really interesting. 

[Camerong]

@CultivateLove

couldn't agree more I have the exact same criticism. He uses it too much as a lens and forgets to take it off. Some stuff he says is absolutely ridiculous which is why I verify the system for my self with it’s consistent self evidence proving itself to be correct in real life. 

If I was taught maths by a homeless man who thought the world was made of space monkeys it wouldn’t mean that I start taking all the maths that I’ve spent years verifying to be correct with a grain of salt. It wouldn’t mean that I would take 2+2=4 which has proven itself to be consistently correct throughout all my life with a grain of salt. Verifying for your self especially through direct application will wed out the uncertainty of whether a system is trust worthy or not.

as far as what he says about enlightenment and the bible, yeah I completely agree he has no clue and he’s quite closed minded as he’s really just an average individual with the same consciousness as everyone else where he lives who just so happens to be teaching what I verify to be a pretty accurate system.

Edit: my apologies for my retardation I misread what you said. Yeah I competition agree with everything you said.

Edited June 20, 2020 by Camerong

[Himanshu]

@Leo GuraThat's true.

My intention is to find parallels between one's type and what their growth journey looks like. And to understand why different spiritual traditions emphasize different aspects of life (which are usually what the original master found to be most fruitful in his own journey. Yours is the most well documented journey I'm aware of. ) 

It's like the 4 routes of Yoga (Union) - aka different paths to enlightenment:

• Bhakti / Synthesizing / Loving Life / Feeling (Fe/Fi) 
• Gnana / Analyzing / Questioning Life / Thinking (Te/Ti) 
• Kriya / Energy / Aligning w Life / Intuiting (Ne/Ni) 
• Karma / Selfless Action / Sensing (Se/Si) 

Gnana is questioning, analyzing, and doubting and Bhakti is unconditional acceptance and love for life as it is. 

Kriya is aligning with life energetically (or connecting with God via a Terabyte connection) whereas Karma, in this context, is a combination of being good and acting in the physical world. 

Each one of us needs all 4 but we start with preference of one over others. 

If one's life is a journey from a fragmented self towards Self (or wholeness), we begin life with preferring one function and grow towards psychological wholeness when we get to the exact opposite of what we started with. 

One's type is only indicative of what aspects of Reality does one become aware of, and thus becomes proficient in, first. 

As @Max_Vmentioned, take any one of these functions to the extreme and you break out of psychological to theological. For example, keep drawing finer and finer distinctions (classic introverted thinking) and you realise how everything connects together as a gradient, how those distinctions weren't real in the first place. Going full circle, and stepping one level up. 

 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Himanshu

[remember]

1 hour ago, CultivateLove said:

yet I would advice to take whatever he says with a spoonful of salt whenever he tries explain enlightenment or other spiritual concepts with this model

???why not two or three? maybe in coffee?

[Max_V]

@Himanshu That is actually super interesting, I'd love to talk more with you about this in depth.

Never made the direct connection between the different functions and spiritual paths.

[Lyubov]

7 hours ago, Girzo said:

@Lyubov I think there are as many INFPs as INTPs, because they both focus on developing intuition when being adults.

I used to actually be an INTP but as I started to do more consciousness work I started to focus on feeling more because I found my thoughts were heavily disassociated from my thinking and I felted disconnected from my feelings. I think the resources for both INFP & INTP will benefit me  

[Himanshu]

SInce we are talking about INTPs...

 

@Max_V Sure! Would love to talk about it. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Himanshu said:

SInce we are talking about INTPs...

 

@Max_V Sure! Would love to talk about it.