Two Questions!

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, traveler said:

Might be infinitely diverse and complex, but there is no one that needs to solve that puzzle, that is the dream.

There is until it's realized that there isn't. In another words there is and there isn't.  See? From the absolute perspective no statement about reality is more valid. But the absolute perspective only manifests itself through relative parts.  It's like looking at a 3D object.. You can only see one 2D slice of the object at a time.. From the  relative perspective it has one face.. From the absolute perspective it has endless faces. You dig that? 

Edited June 16, 2020 by Someone here

[Forestluv]

55 minutes ago, Someone here said:

But why can't I say to myself I Will embody the highest love and selflessness by killing people, stealing their money and accumulating it for myself?.

You can, but you won’t believe it or act on it because you are not wired that way. 

55 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You see this moral relativism will eventually lead to nihilism and chaos. 

The relativism already exists. Look around you. There is no “leading to” anything.

I’m pointing to how you are picking and choosing what love is from your orientation. We can recognize that serial killers are expressing love and still put them in prison as an act of love. The two are not mutually exclusive. 

55 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Just do whatever the heck you want and it will be love. 

It’s not about what we intellectually label things. It’s about actuality . A serial killer is expressing love. Watch a documentary on serial killers. Observe closely as the killers describe themselves. If you are open, you will “get it”. They are expressing love. If you deny that, you don’t know what it’s like to be a serial killer and you are missing something important. 

55 minutes ago, Someone here said:

From the absolute perspective anything equals anything. It becomes meaningless when applied in the relative domain. 

I am speaking from a relative views. You seem to want to give your relative view more relevance than another relative view. . . If I was doing volunteer work in a prison and a serial killer couldn’t understand why his behavior was harmful and why he was in prison, I would be having a very different conversation with him than I’m having with you. 

If someone is only aware of their right hand, we show them their left hand. If someone is only aware of their left hand, we show them their right hand. 

[traveler]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

There is until it's realized that there isn't. In another words there is and there isn't.  See? From the absolute perspective no statement about reality is more valid. But the absolute perspective only manifests itself through relative parts.  It's like looking at a 3D object.. You can only see one 2D slice of the object at a time.. From the  relative perspective it has one face.. From the absolute perspective it had endless faces. You dig that? 

The absolute relative. Not-two. The collapse of all perspectives. A perspective is an energy interpreting what is to fit a story. There is no real perspective, there is no place to stand, to "know". No one is writing this, it is nothing. Infinite, so there is infinite possible interpretations of these words. That pure potentiality is what is. 

[Someone here]

@Serotoninluv so I can do whatever I want and that would be the highest embodiment of love?  Or should I listen to my intuition and my biases of what I believe love is?.  

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, traveler said:

The absolute relative. Not-two. The collapse of all perspectives. A perspective is an energy interpreting what is to fit a story. There is no real perspective, there is no place to stand, to "know". No one is writing this, it is nothing. Infinite, so there is infinite possible interpretations of these words. That pure potentiality is what is. 

You are saying nothing at all lol. 

To that I can only respond by saying nothing lol 

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Serotoninluv so I can do whatever I want and that would be the highest embodiment of love?  Or should I listen to my intuition and my biases of what I believe love is?.  

The “what I believe love is” defines what the “highest embodiment of love is”. How can one be “the highest embodiment of love” without a thought construct of what “the highest embodiment of love” is? 

I think it’s also important to observe the “I want”. Who/what is this “I”? Who/what is the chooser and doer of wants?

What would happen if you dropped all the stories about what love is. All the stories about how you should behave to reach the highest embodiment of love. Imagine you are completely free and immersed in nature. How would you freely express yourself? Perhaps you would laugh. Perhaps you would climb a tree or jump in the lake. Perhaps you would wish you had a girlfriend with you. Perhaps you would cry. Perhaps you would would hunt down rabbits. Perhaps you would. . . 

With surrender comes freedom. . . 

[JayG84]

48 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I dig that. But why can't I say to myself I Will embody the highest love and selflessness by killing people, stealing their money and accumulating it for myself?. You see this moral relativism will eventually lead to nihilism and chaos. Just do whatever the heck you want and it will be love. Let's be real.. No human lives his life actually by that principle.  It's impossible to talk from the absolute perspective. From the absolute perspective anything equals anything. It becomes meaningless when applied in the relative domain. 

To keep with the infinite web analogy. Any act which expands or contracts of the holes of the web are Love ultimately. (even selfishness is a low conscious form of love for the survival of the ego). But think of how killing and stealing will affect the overall web. That selfish act which expands "your" hole will contract others, expand others, and even collapse some. 

I don't want to use Hitler as an example, but it's the easiest to go to so here we go. ?

Hitler's acts were done out of his love for a limited part of his reality. His people, his country, his race, his own self survival. So you can say that he acted out of love, a very limited form of love. But his actions made huge changes in the overall web of reality that we still see today, and will see throughout our lifetimes. Most people will only see the spread of hate that he started (which is just passing on the torch of limited love for the self) which is the expansion of a lot of peoples webs who agreed with him. But by far the biggest effect of what he did was expand the consciousness of the entire world to recognize that what he did was wrong and selfish and that all races and ethnicities should be accepted equally. In other words, he made most the world realize that love and acceptance is the path towards progress and ultimately Enlightenment. 

That's why when we talk from the Absolute perspective, everything = Love. But from the relative perspective, the way that you expand or contract the hole (whole) of your experience matters a great deal. 

[traveler]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

You are saying nothing at all lol. 

To that I can only respond by saying nothing lol 

Exactly, lmao There is just no fucking way to "say" this. You can use cursive, underline, and bold text, but it's just a silly attempt to convey this, also known as "fuck all."

[Forestluv]

35 minutes ago, JayG84 said:

To keep with the infinite web analogy. Any act which expands or contracts of the holes of the web are Love ultimately. (even selfishness is a low conscious form of love for the survival of the ego). But think of how killing and stealing will affect the overall web. That selfish act which expands "your" hole will contract others, expand others, and even collapse some. 

For sure. We could consider how each dot interacts and impacts other dots in a network. I like observing how dots interact and influence each other. The behavior of one dot can contract, expand, create and collapse other dots. So far, we haven’t added in any value judgements. For example, we could observe all the dots interacting in nature. There is plenty of life, growth, decay, death, sharing, stealing, protecting, killing in nature - yet we can observe this web without any value judgements of what is “selfish”, “good” or “bad”. Of course we could also add in these value judgments and that can have practical use. For example, we might want to conserve a forest - to do so, we need to make value judgements about what is “good” and “bad” for the forest. We may identify invasive plant species that are choking off the trees and we may remove those invasive plants. 

I’ve notice that when humans are added in the mix, a whole new dynamic enters within the human mind - because the human mind has identifications and attachments to humanness. Nazism is analogous to the invasive plants within the forest. Yet most human minds will have a very different relationship to Nazism compared to invasive plants within a forest. 

[JayG84]

2 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

For sure. We could consider how each dot interacts and impacts other dots in a network. I like observing how dots interact and influence each other. The behavior of one dot can contract, expand, create and collapse other dots. So far, we haven’t added in any value judgements. For example, we could observe all the dots interacting in nature. There is plenty of life, growth, decay, death, sharing, stealing, protecting, killing in nature - yet we can observe this web without any value judgements of what is “selfish”, “good” or “bad”. Of course we could also add in these value judgments and that can have practical use. For example, we might want to conserve a forest - to do so, we need to make value judgements about what is “good” and “bad” for the forest. We may identify invasive plant species that are choking off the trees and we may remove those invasive plants.

Great post man. To live consciously is realizing that we can choose to assign meaning to the meaninglessness. It's all good and all beautiful. Pick the parts you want to build your own reality out of. ?

[Moon]

@JayG84 @Serotoninluv

Love the analogies! V helpful 

[Forestluv]

@JayG84 @Moon  ♥️ ? 

[Dodo]

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

1- what is the best meditation technique to reach the highest levels of consciousness possible (via meditation alone) ?                                                         2-how to embody the highest levels of love possible for me in my life ?. spreading love..helping others and being less selfish resonates with me and looks like what my life purpose should be. starting to give some money to charity.  what else can i do to embody love and selflessness ?

You are already at the highest level of consciousness from absolute point of view,  so scratch that goal.

For the relative, What you should strive for is to do to others what you want to be done to you. Thats simple enough and I only hope you're not masochistic ?

[Someone here]

@Serotoninluv @JayG84 great explanation guys. Thanks for the eye-opening 

[Godhead]

21 hours ago, Nahm said:

Consciously breathing from the stomach

@Nahm Can you explain what you mean by breathing from the stomach? 

[Nahm]

@Godhead

https://www.healthline.com/health/diaphragmatic-breathing

??

[Godhead]

@Nahm Lovely, thanks 

[Dodo]

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Godhead

https://www.healthline.com/health/diaphragmatic-breathing

??

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