Leo Gura

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1 hour ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

There's a inversion going on. Liberals censorship and Conservatives pushing free speech.

This is so silly. Liberals are not pushing censorship. Your speech is still free, Green culture just now expects that your speech not be racist, sexist, nationalist, and excessively selfish.

There is more censorship of speech at stage Blue than at stage Green.


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3 hours ago, remember said:

oh no, all this brutal hair cutting with blunt knifes! that’s a bit cliche! not all criminals are bad hairdressers.

Good luck cutting through 80's hair with a knife. It's like sheering a sheep ;)


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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is so silly. Liberals are not pushing censorship. Your speech is still free, Green culture just now expects that your speech not be racist, sexist, nationalist, and excessively selfish.

There is more censorship of speech at stage Blue than at stage Green.

Twitter is a classic example. 

I know orange man bad around here. Fact check links to cnn opinion piece. The deplatformed and censorship always falls on conservatives. Most recent was the Google censorship before walking it back in typical cowardice fashion. 

Private business can do whatever they like BUT, they cannot hide behind the legal protection anymore following the last executive order. If they want to play the game of deplatformed and censorship yet let man hating or racist comments on whites, doxing conservatives, etc there must be fall out. Not responsibility for the users or is responsible. Must pick a lane. Its one of the annoying things about the left and many platforms. I avoid twitter. Eckhart Tolle called out twitter insanity last weekend. 

Why can't I be Nationalist? I used Asians for example as a ideal culture. Nuclear family. Fathers in households instead of abortions and proud single mom. Academic excellence in stem not women's studies or gender studies. Take Japan for example. The country is very nationalist. The country preserves their culture as is their right. The country hasn't been plagued by gender politics and nonsense the way the west has. And yet, if you visit Japan, there's definitely some racism towards foreigners too especially if you are pursuing the girls. 

Regardless of the color spirals, its evident in the left and as i pointed out, the crime rates by many democratic states is Unreal. I agree with reform and more training but, I also agree with these communities and democratic states reform. Clean up their act. 

That's not what happens. The cycle is running out to government, the AOCs who cannot afford rent but wants to extract resources. 

 

I want better police. I want better communities. A woman, white girl took a dump on a cop car. A keeper. Not serious. As gross as this is imagine the life and squalor that person lives under? The government is not going to fix It. It is again why i believe that the onus is on the individual first and the community second. Collectively, communities can make change. 

The welfare state is growing. Its not making things better. @Leo Gura i pointed out several times, black celebrities cheering on riots from the white community. Obama is where?

Someone posted about the philosophical term for the situation and reverse psychology. It pisses me off that the discussion is cut off by the left because some moron yells racist and tries to get you fired. The paying homage and kneeling by the Democrats is pathetic. Its simping. Its thirsty but for votes. 

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@Onemanwolfpac

Yes I agree. 

 

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Eckhart Tolle called out twitter insanity last weekend.

do you have a link? Seems like sleepy Eckhart is quite awake 

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3 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

You are not seeing nuances here. The “democratic state” position is too simplified. I’m not sure if you are from the United States, yet you don’t seem to have an understanding of how government works in the U.S. For example, I live in one of the states you would probably refer to as a “Democratic State with appalling crime”. I’m sure you would say the crime in Detroit is appalling and the riots in Grand Rapids was appalling. So, let’s walk through it. My state generally votes for a Democrat in presidential elections. The state also leans toward electing Democratic U.S. senators. So at the federal level, you would consider it a “democratic state”. However, the state level is very different. The state cycles back and forth between democratic and republican governors. However all the state legislatures are DOMINATED by republicans. They always have full control of all state legislatures. Both the state House and state Senate. At times, they have supermajorities and can override a governor veto. The state has been heavily gerrymandered to favor republicans. I live in a district that is centered two hours away from me on the other side of the state! The republicans drew a lil’ itty bitty line to pull some democrats in my old district into a safe republican district. So now, rather than the districts being split Dem and Rep, they are both Rep. . . As well, there is leadership at local levels, such as city councils and majors. So, is the “absurd crime” in my state because its a “Democratic State”?

Pinning blame on individuals such as “fatherless households” will not solve the larger problem. That is a lazy, myopic view. It is only one piece of a larger puzzle. If you want to deepen and expand your understanding, read a wider variety of sociology and political science, not just the stuff that supports your world view.

To say that “America was better of in the 1950s” is again a myopic conservative view. For example, go learn about the Jim Crow laws of that era.

In terms of “government handouts” and “socialism” you have a very contracted conservative view. If you would like to expand your understanding, I would recommend listening to Anand Giridharadas. 

Is fatherless homes helping? Single moms? Abortion? What about murder within the community? It skyrocketed following the welfare state and government intervention. This is not to say, there's multifaceted problems. The community on a individual level is key. Where is blm on the above stats? Its a election cycle and magically the chaos ensues? Shocking! 

Radio silence. 

My point is that, the nuclear family was intact better in the 50s than the present day. 

Not acknowledging the effects of fatherless homes replaced by government is the single biggest detriment. The stats are abysmal for crime in single mom households as well as abuse. 

I saw the target burning down. Nobody had a stem degree. Not trades. The government isn't saving anybody. 

This is sloth! This pandemic to me looks like a UBI trial run. More people reliant on government. People take the bait. Its a piss poor attempt to acquire power. 

I don't see pandemic or this situation any different. The onus is on the individual to live the American dream. Not run to government. Its a waste of a life rather than going out to win. Learn to code. Get into a trade. Start a business. Be a engineer or accountant. 

Free money and handouts be it student loans or any form not earned has consequences. 

Wasn't the mayor of Chicago threatening people with jail time beforehand sneaking out to. A salon? Chicago is a distaste and crime ridden but she got a haircut as the people are in squalor? 

A woman was arrested for opening her business. Jailed two days for working. The economy shutdown for the flu? Its the 19th damn iteration. We beat it 18 times but again, its a election cycle. 

Orange man bad. Let's trash the economy. Now riots. The two are linked and i wont be shocked if we here where the trail of money is coming from. 

I would welcome defund police in said areas. It would be. More dangerous than Haiti in less than 24hrs.

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4 minutes ago, Epikur said:

@Onemanwolfpac

Yes I agree. 

 

do you have a link? Seems like sleepy Eckhart is quite awake 

Its the Saturday youtube podcast to promote his consciousness series. No clue on time stamp. Its over an hour. I think it's near the beginning but. Again, its over an hour. 

I linked it i believe in the purpose sub. 

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4 minutes ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

Its the Saturday youtube podcast to promote his consciousness series. No clue on time stamp. Its over an hour. I think it's near the beginning but. Again, its over an hour. 

I linked it i believe in the purpose sub. 

Thanks

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1 hour ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

The deplatformed and censorship always falls on conservatives.

This is just not true. You see it that way because you lean conservative and so that's part of your mind's confirmation bias.

Plenty of radical lefties get censored too. In fact, in any given society, radical lefties are more censored than right wingers because the right wingers are aligned with the status quo while radical lefties risk the threat of upsetting the status quo and getting killed for it.

History is full of radical lefties getting killed for their progressive ideas and values, and getting censored.

As but one example, in American history, socialism has been demonized and censored A LOT over the last 70 years.

Progressives are routinely kicked off the air on mainstream media channels like CNN and MSNBC. News anchors who were strongly against the Iraq War, for example, were routinely fired at MSNBC because their views were bad for business. There is a lot of incentive for businesses to censor progressives because progressives often challenge the business's drive for unchecked profit.


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2 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

 Liberals censorship and Conservatives pushing free speech.

Private business can do whatever they like BUT, they cannot hide behind the legal protection anymore following the last executive order. If they want to play the game of deplatformed and censorship yet let man hating or racist comments on whites, doxing conservatives, etc there must be fall out. Not responsibility for the users or is responsible. 

Clams conservatives/blue aren't censoring while being giddy about unconstitutional executive orders.  This is not a liberal issue take trumps order to a conservative court and it'll lose.... hard. But it'll not likely to even get to get to court become no one is going to enforce Trumps temper tantrum in the first place. 

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Its the 19th damn iteration. We beat it 18 times but again, its a election cycle. 

Ironically, proving why we need those evil fact checks. It is not the 19th iteration the 19 comes from the year it was discovered, technical name: SARS Covid 2. I know this may seem radical but I actually would have ,(if it were actually happening, which as Leo points out it's not), no problem with deplatforming and censorship always falling on the side the can't get past the damn name with out making false, unscientific, statements. The name. You literally don't understand the name of the thing and want to be taken seriously? The left/green has it own problems with science but we've at least got "the number represents the year and not the iteration" part down.   If you can't master the name in over Five. Fucking. Months since it was named, I don't know why you think your ignorant ass deserves a platform.  You want to be champion for STEM, start by educating yourself*  in some of it before judging other lack of it. 

Modern conservationism has become the party of projection. Claiming other need to learn STEM (where there are many numbering/naming nomenclatures) when they can't master: Not everything is named like standard movie sequels. 

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Free money and handouts be it student loans or any form not earned has conseques

Calming others need to learn economics while calling loans "free money"...low interest is not the same as "free" Source: the very definition of those words. Also economic psych 101 even paying a penny makes something not free both in the literal sense and in that people behavior is demonstrably different when something is as close as humanly possible to free but not actually free. You can't reasonably call paying even a penny "free" ,if you look at all the research done on it, but you think it reasonable to call principle plus interest "free"). Also how do you think STEM majors pay for their expensive degrees? 

*Or more accurately stop willfully and deliberately spreading scientific ignorance, their is no excuse to not know this by now. It hard for me to believe this repeated lie is a result of ignorance and not malice. Conservative have no problem understanding: Friday the 13th is the first series, that 13 Angry Men doesn't have a dozen prequels, and that the "2077" in Cyberpunk 2077 is a year and not an iteration.  

 

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I wish your name was Spacey Coyote because every time I read it, I read it as Spacey Coyote and that sounds like a cute name. 

Anyway. I agree with you absolutely.:)

 

 

 


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9 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

Going back to your 1960s comment, these communities were better off in the 1950s..before the welfare state and running to the government for free shit. 

The things you say just read like a Steven Molyneux, Crowder, PragerU digest. Thats not to be insulting but your views are filtered by this right wing, libertarian rhetoric. What you need to ask yourself is are you interested in getting as close to the truth as possible or are you looking to just confirm your anchored beliefs? If you are interested in getting as close to truth as possible you should look at the actual root and causes if the issues you raise, if you look at sociology or history and make a real attempt to see the whole picture and context of what youre talking about you may come to different conclusions. The way you see things is like looking at one square of a giant picture and saying that the whole picture is of a sky when that is only a tiny fraction of it. What you say may or may not be correct but it misses the context of everything around it.

You say you want to be a nationalist, if youre really a nationalist then you cant agree with the English taking over America all those years ago and you should then fight for the Native Americans to reclaim their nation. Unless youre only a nationalist in the context that benefits you. 

People on the thread are not debating your points, they are more trying to get you to widen your view. No one on here can agree with your conclusions because they are very limited and only serve a certain rhetoric, most on here are really interested in getting as close to truth as possible, even if that is uncomfortable. What happens when you get caught in rhetoric (which happens on the left as well) is that you only really look at things that confirm you pre-held beliefs and you argue with those that dispute them. But whats the point? If you came up against someone with an opposing rhetoric youd just argue back and forth forever as theres no attempt to really learn whats going on. All of your views i could easily guess by watching some the videos you watch, i would urge you to, with an open mind, honestly search for whats true through actual academics whose life mission is to work out these issues. 

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5 minutes ago, Consept said:

Unless youre only a nationalist in the context that benefits you.

Is there any other kind? LOL :D

A nationalist with a global context is a globalist, LOL :D


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This is so sad. This questions all the statistics out there. Maybe the statistics that the right wing keeps rubbing into people's faces are all made up after all. 

 

Imagine how many innocent black men must be in prison waiting for freedom but can't afford lawyer fees. Because it's easier to lie against a black man and unload all the blame on him. 

Really tragic. 

The system needs to weed out stereotype mentality and racial profiling. If it truly seeks justice for all. 

 

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14 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

 

This is so sad. This questions all the statistics out there. Maybe the statistics that the right wing keeps rubbing into people's faces are all made up after all. 

 

This is the effect of a so called 'bad apple', question is, how many bad apples are currently operating and how many are getting away with it?

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9 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

Is fatherless homes helping? Single moms? Abortion? What about murder within the community? It skyrocketed following the welfare state and government intervention. This is not to say, there's multifaceted problems. The community on a individual level is key. Where is blm on the above stats? Its a election cycle and magically the chaos ensues? Shocking! 

Radio silence. 

My point is that, the nuclear family was intact better in the 50s than the present day. 

Not acknowledging the effects of fatherless homes replaced by government is the single biggest detriment. The stats are abysmal for crime in single mom households as well as abuse. 

I saw the target burning down. Nobody had a stem degree. Not trades. The government isn't saving anybody. 

This is sloth! This pandemic to me looks like a UBI trial run. More people reliant on government. People take the bait. Its a piss poor attempt to acquire power. 

I don't see pandemic or this situation any different. The onus is on the individual to live the American dream. Not run to government. Its a waste of a life rather than going out to win. Learn to code. Get into a trade. Start a business. Be a engineer or accountant. 

Free money and handouts be it student loans or any form not earned has consequences. 

Wasn't the mayor of Chicago threatening people with jail time beforehand sneaking out to. A salon? Chicago is a distaste and crime ridden but she got a haircut as the people are in squalor? 

A woman was arrested for opening her business. Jailed two days for working. The economy shutdown for the flu? Its the 19th damn iteration. We beat it 18 times but again, its a election cycle. 

Orange man bad. Let's trash the economy. Now riots. The two are linked and i wont be shocked if we here where the trail of money is coming from. 

I would welcome defund police in said areas. It would be. More dangerous than Haiti in less than 24hrs.

I don’t disagree with everything you write. Yet you seem to be locked into some conservative ideology. You can dwell within that ideology if you like or you can expand beyond it. If you want to expand beyond it, arguing for the ideology won’t help. As I previously suggested, I think listening to Giridharadas speak about economics and social structures would help to expand your view. 

Also, you might be interested in reading up on the impacts of UBI programs around the world. 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/2/19/21112570/universal-basic-income-ubi-map

Such UBI programs could be integrated with Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. For example, the lowest level is meeting one’s survival needs such as food, water and shelter. If these needs are met, would most people become lazy and avoid work? Or would most people move up to the next level up and actually be more productive? . . . As well, the question of wealth inequality arises. Is it best to store wealth in a billionaires 3rd yacht that he doesn’t even use? Or would it be better to inject that wealth into raising minimum wage for people struggling to get buy on two jobs?

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9 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

 My point is that, the nuclear family was intact better in the 50s than the present day. 

I agree, and also agree with our president who said;

"Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison."

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1 hour ago, Bodigger said:

@Serotoninluv

I agree

Of course you agree. That is what I am pointing to. 

Imagine I want to learn about how to train for a decathlon. I grew up in a household in which working hard was highly valued. When I begin my journey to become a decathlete, I read: “To become a successful decathlete, a strong work ethic is necessary”. I then think “I agree”. Yet how far will that get me? A strong work ethic is necessary to become a successful decathlete, yet is it sufficient to become a successful decathlete? If I hyper-focus on the necessity of a hard work ethic, I will be missing a lot of other components that are also necessary to be a successful decathlete. Now imagine I was also conditioned with the belief “If you want something done right, do it yourself”. In some contexts, this will be helpful in my decathlete journey - in other contexts it will be unhelpful.

It’s easy for you to see how things were better in the 1950s, yet it’s much harder for you to see how things were worse in the 1950s. Read up on Jim Crow laws and ask yourself if those laws were better for society than today’s laws.

1 hour ago, Bodigger said:

@Serotoninluv

I agree, and also agree with our president who said;

"Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison."

In one context, this has truth. For minds that are paradigm-locked in a conservative mindset, this partial truth will be easily to see and will be contextualized within a conservative framework. It would be much harder to also see that this same president is a self-appointed bellwether for white grievance. However, many conservatives have realized this (such as the conservative republican group called The Lincoln Project). 

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10 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

My point is that, the nuclear family was intact better in the 50s than the present day. 

I see this point a lot that things were better for black people in the 50s, i think its come about from Trump and maga, but its a ridiculous statement, how could it be better for black people if there was segregation, redlining, no civil rights. You cant really have it both ways and assert that racism is better than before but then in the same breath say that we should go back to more racist times 

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1 hour ago, Bodigger said:

"Children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and 20 times more likely to end up in prison."

 

29 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

In one context, this has some truth. For minds that are paradigm-locked in a conservative mindset, this partial truth will be easily to see and will be contextualized within a conservative framework. It would be much harder to also see that this same president is a self-appointed bellwether for white grievance. However, many conservatives have realized this (such as the conservative republican group called The Lincoln Project). 

The bias is showing.  This is not a conservative statement.  It is, as Biden would say, "fact over truth".

Isn't this statement telling us what we need to work on?  Educating police is great, but educating the people and helping them with gains of integrity will make immense improvement.

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