Policing Is Hard Work

[tenta]

9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

If you think it's justified, that's okay, but it wasn't self defense at all - even if he didn't pull out his gun while chasing him, there was nothing indicating he was doing anything other than running away after firing the taser, he was just watching him run and shot him, (also the fact that he could be paralyzed by the taser, therefore he should fire if he isn't paralyzed, is not a good argument) see comments on page 8.

If you think it was justified, you're arguing that he should be given a death penalty for a previous offense by a cop.

[tenta]

9 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

The cops think the actions of the cops are justified?  No way.

Watch it boy, or else you'll get the banhammer!!!

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, SerpaeTetra said:

Can a forum like this take some real action besides just talking about it?

Go vote for conscious leaders!

That's how this works.

People like to talk and whine but then fail to vote consciously.

Hopefully these protests will get folks horny to vote.

[Godhead]

@Leo Gura

@Serotoninluv SQUIRREL LIVES MATTER

7 hours ago, Raze said:

You can't just compare countries like that.

I see why, but if you observe a problem in society and you want to fix it. Maybe we shouldn't look for all the reasons there are why it can't be fixed, but instead look around. See what countries/cities are doing better. Ask the question what price they are paying for that or what reasons there are. And then start testing out things. That seems like the smartest way to go about it.

[Leo Gura]

@Recursoinominado I like Jocko's reasoned take.

Here's a shorter clip from that long ass interview which addresses this issue directly:

 

[remember]

14 minutes ago, Godhead said:

SQUIRREL LIVES MATTER

 

[Parththakkar12]

1 hour ago, SerpaeTetra said:

This group has so many great ideas.  Leo is really helping to stimulate minds, but what are we doing about it?  What are some real solutions?  Can a forum like this take some real action besides just talking about it?  I guess we can just keep arguing about it, meh....

If you can't see a solution or if you have no idea what to do, your understanding/analysis of the problem isn't deep enough. Solutions will start to arise as you go deeper and deeper into it.

[Lyubov]

On 6/14/2020 at 6:45 PM, electroBeam said:

You're not questioning WHY policing is tough in the first place enough. WHY is policing tough? WHY do people steal tasers? WHY are people committing crimes? WHY are they resisting arrest?

There are countries out there where policing is 1000x easier than it is in the US. Policing is way easier in Denmark, UK, Australia, Canada, etc.

Policing is easier in those countries because the culture is different, social norms are different, there's less systemic problems there, people have their basic needs met more, people are treated better, people are more aware, the laws are different, consequences are dealt with different, more holistically, more compassionately, less harshly, more focus on rehab than solidary confinement, etc.

Most developed countries have banned guns... and that's a first start for the US. The fact that you guys have guns is unacceptable and way below your standards as a country.

 

Policing is tough work, because the US believes cure is better than prevention. Its better for cops to solve all of the US's problems rather than to solve it at the systemic level. Instead of putting effort into reforming education, worker's rights, UBI, pill testing, medical stations, etc. Lets knock civillians into submission with machine guns and military equipment until they do what we want.

If you've got a kid, and the only way you've gotten that kid to do what you want is through violence, expect that kid to be violent too. 

 

There is a lot of police bashing going on, and while its unfair because its the fault of the training rather than the police officers themselves, its totally warranted, because its the problem. Police have it tough because your society treats your civillians like a piece of shit. 

Stop giving so much money to the police, and put it into solving the root problem, and that's what your progressive states are starting to do and its great to see. CHAZ (or CHOP) wont last forever, but its like a renaissance, live music, community coming together, money put into solving systemic problems rather than giving police machine guns, its great.

Wow great post:)

USA is weird.... can become a police officer quicker than some line chef jobs ?

[Parththakkar12]

Absolutely! Also, if you make guns illegal, policing can get easier. You won't need to be so good at fighting a gun battle on the street to be a cop. Having a battle because of lethal weapons can really enable the issue of police brutality, it can also enable the police to get away with a lot of unnecessary killings.

[Consept]

Ultimately, without being too simplistic, if you have a society where anyone can carry guns there will be problems. I can't see how a society, especially one with wealth inequality amongst other issues, can both have guns and not have issues around guns. 

[Onemanwolfpac]

9 hours ago, SerpaeTetra said:

This group has so many great ideas.  Leo is really helping to stimulate minds, but what are we doing about it?  What are some real solutions?  Can a forum like this take some real action besides just talking about it?  I guess we can just keep arguing about it, meh....

It starts with the individual. Not blm and the victim card. The floyd death is gross but so is black on black crime. The murder of other black people by black people. The amount of fatherless households and abortions in the community. The elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about or some moron screams racist. The change doesn't follow more government intervention and free money anymore then shooting stun gun at cops + assaulting cops + burning down Wendy's. 

I watched a Molyneux podcast with Tony Sotomayor. Tony called out the madness in policing as well as his community. He made the point that a lot of men act like women. They never knew there father and behave like their single mother. What they fail to realize is that, if you step up to a another man, there is a line in the sand. There are boundaries and consequences that men bound one another by that women are not held too. For example, if you get physical with a man, he will put you down. 

The biggest issue of socio-economic status is father's in households. Two family incomes. Not getting a degree in stupid shit. If you assault a cop and use a stun gun on a cop, you will get shot dead. Common sense is not common. 

 

Lastly, i love how Obama and other celebrities in the democrat party simp to the black community WHILE LIVING IN THE WHITE COMMUNITY LOLOLOL. Cheer on riots destroying as have many celebrities have. Its disgusting. 

[Danioover9000]

@Onemanwolfpac

 

3 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

It starts with the individual. Not blm and the victim card. The floyd death is gross but so is black on black crime. The murder of other black people by black people. The amount of fatherless households and abortions in the community. The elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about or some moron screams racist. The change doesn't follow more government intervention and free money anymore then shooting stun gun at cops + assaulting cops + burning down Wendy's. 

I watched a Molyneux podcast with Tony Sotomayor. Tony called out the madness in policing as well as his community. He made the point that a lot of men act like women. They never knew there father and behave like their single mother. What they fail to realize is that, if you step up to a another man, there is a line in the sand. There are boundaries and consequences that men bound one another by that women are not held too. For example, if you get physical with a man, he will put you down. 

The biggest issue of socio-economic status is father's in households. Two family incomes. Not getting a degree in stupid shit. If you assault a cop and use a stun gun on a cop, you will get shot dead. Common sense is not common. 

 

Lastly, i love how Obama and other celebrities in the democrat party simp to the black community WHILE LIVING IN THE WHITE COMMUNITY LOLOLOL. Cheer on riots destroying as have many celebrities have. Its disgusting. 

   I agree. I forgot the name of a fallacy in philosophy, but the fallacy works exactly like that, where you set up a weak target and draw the attack into a strong target.

[Nak Khid]

 

 

 

Live: Atlanta Official Announces Charging Decision In Rayshard Brooks Death 

The prosecutor says the police are not even allowed to fire a taser at someone if they are running away. 
 in the video at which the picture of the red car is shown,(time 13:00) 

He claims that Rayshard Brooks fired the taser twice at the officer and missed both times, that the taser can only make two shots, and the police would have known that but  he was necessarily shot in the back twice when he was 18 feet after the taser was no longer a threat 

One gun shot also hit a car 

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by Nak Khid

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Onemanwolfpac said:

It starts with the individual. Not blm and the victim card.

This issue isn't about individuals. It's about complex and subtle systemic issues. Culture, collective ego, etc.

This cannot be solved by telling individuals to act better.

[Raze]

I don't think people realize how serious this situation is. Police are already resigning one after another and their morale is at an all time low. Especially if this officer gets charged they are going to be far more averse to action and in their head in serious situations out of fear. This isn't a good thing, it may reduce some brutality but it will also result in more cops and people dying for years now. Who is even going to want to become a cop anymore? If the people becoming cops were already meatheads, imagine now that everyone feels like cops are hated and if they get in a dangerous situation and kill someone a angry mob will go nuts and they'll be in even more danger as they get fired and marked for life. Remember cops don't have to act in dangerous situations, they don't have a duty to respond. As bad as police brutality is a problem, crime and murder causes far more damage to people and society by a lot. I don't think people realize how much crime and violence happens in the USA, and once a crime wave happens it is very hard to bring a state back, because people who would actually improve the area won't come or will flee and it will become even worse. It's a shame the dialogue became so extreme, I truly believe there was a middle way that could reduce police brutality without harming policing in the country.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Raze

[Onemanwolfpac]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Onemanwolfpac

 

   I agree. I forgot the name of a fallacy in philosophy, but the fallacy works exactly like that, where you set up a weak target and draw the attack into a strong target.

I think its Tony Sotomayor on with Stefan in podcast. Pointed out the abundance of mixed kids (black + white) and coming out hating on white people like the dude who lied about being hung by maga hat white people. 

There's a issue where, you can't tell women or black people the truth without morons screaming racist or misogyny. The biggest issue is that black celebrities cheer on violence, simp to the democrats and black community from the mansions with white people. Cheering on the destruction of businesses and cities as they put their feet up in the white areas. 

We can agree racism is bad. Yet, we here it from blm, twitter or other hard left areas before they scrub it. White privilege lololol whereas, the Asian culture dominate from a economic and academia standpoint. Asians are so successful we have racism against the entry of ivy league schools. 

Edison discovered 10,000 ways not to make the lightbulb. Running to the government for intervention and victim card isn't a solution. 

 

The 90s when movies were actually good. 

[Epikur]

The job is getting harder and harder. To the enemies are joining the accelerationists. 
 

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Far-right ‘boogaloo boys’ linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence

 

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Some are white supremacist or neo-Nazi groups who believe that the impending unrest will be a race war; however other groups condemn racism and white supremacy.[14] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement#:~:text=The boogaloo movement%2C adherents to,they call the "boogaloo".
 

I guess the looting and arson should be done a little bit less.

 

 

[Onemanwolfpac]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This issue isn't about individuals. It's about complex and subtle systemic issues. Culture, collective ego, etc.

This cannot be solved by telling individuals to act better.

How's more government intervention working? Government intervention has destroyed the nuclear family in the black community. Blaming police isn't the solution for the disproportionate amount of crime, socio-economic status perpetuated by fatherless households being normalised, abortions, and a number of other problems. I concur with better training for police as Jocko said. The Asian community dominates in every metric from family values, academia, economics, and others. 

Fine. Riot during police murders but what about within the community? How about riots for the babies never born? The promotion of government intervention and piss poor attempt to replace fatherhood? Crime? 

The response of riots is childish like a temper tantrum. It is not effective. A few weeks ago, nobody knew what blm was till dirty money was flooded to help organise. Shocking in a election cycle. 

The system is blamed for hundreds of years. The victim card is not a solution nor is phony promises for more government intervention. 

Floyd was murdered. Stun gunning cops before getting shot dead isn't something his father taught him. 

@Leo Gura i don't know what the solution is but imho it starts on a individual level. It ripples within the community and grows. The government will not fix it. 

[Preety_India]

@Raze  so you mean to say, in other words, police brutality should be swallowed just because we want cops to stay on their jobs 

Let me give you an example to help you understand your error in thinking. 

Assume that an innocent person has been sent to prison. Now after some prosecutorial misconduct has been unearthed, the prosecutor in the case has been held to task for his actions. The investigation team involved in the case has been fired for the laziness in analyzing evidence. The police has been fired for their shoddy work at the crime scene. 

All the people held accountable or fired are extremely depressed. The public has developed resentment toward the justice system because their expectations have been unfulfilled and having sent an innocent person to the death row has intensely angered them. 

Now let's assume that there has been an uptick in such cases. More innocent persons are being sent to the death row because police are always in a hurry to get their job done and the forensic team does sloppy work to finish it so they don't have work long hours so they write up false reports and results. They don't do their work right. 

The system at the top realizes that this is huge problem and they decide to weed out all the bad apples one by one to make the system more reliable, robust, not sloppy and to create a strong work ethic devoid of laziness and corruption and malpractice. 

A lot of the cops see this as a restraining move and they start to resign. People don't want to become cops because they find the job too tough or they don't pass the requirements needed to do the job proper and honestly. Even forensic investigators are resigning and new recruits are being reluctant to join because they can't pass the rigorous standards required to do the work honestly.

Right now it's a period of recession in the justice system because of these issues. But the justice system nevertheless doesn't want to compromise with their quality of work despite the Scarcity in manpower. They are determined to get rid of the bad apples once and for all. 

Now gradually there are people who are devoted and they are passionate about honest work and serving the system. So they join.

Gradually the justice system is back on its feet and strong again. This time however they have the most honest hardworking people in their group and no bad apples and hence significantly lower number of innocent convicted. 

The faith of the public is once again restored in the justice system. 

Realize that there is always a phase of upheaval before a revolution. 

This Demonization of the cops is a part of this change process. It will give way to a system that has aligned itself to Change. 

For creating lasting change, upheaval is necessary. 

But through all this negative phase, something good will come. The good that will come will be better than the past. 

It's important to remove the bad apples. In the process, sometimes all apples will get impacted. But this phase is gone and adjustments or improvements made, those same apples will be restored once again. 

We have to go through extreme loss or despair before we can finally see sunshine 

As much as it looks like it's breaking down the Morale of the cops, this is just a part of a bigger change. It's a message that bad apples will not be tolerated and once the bad apples are being taken care of sufficiently, the system will come back to its original stability. In this process some collateral damage will occur and is reasonably acceptable. 

This collateral damage will not last forever. But it's important to not sabotage the process of change only because you want the system to not look unstable. 

 

When you feel that the system will collapse, This is a fear arising out of Catastrophizing  and is basically a fear and Insecurity grounded in survival of the status quo and letting the system to continue even at the expense of allowing bad things to still happen. 

 

Cops are responsible for the stereotype they create about them. Notice that the public did not create a bad image for cops. In fact people had huge respect for cops until now when their abuse and corruption got exposed. Maybe power and adoration went to their head? The bad image of cops was created by cops themselves by their own acts. They dug their own grave. 

 

 

 

[AtheisticNonduality]

5 hours ago, Raze said:

I don't think people realize how serious this situation is. Police are already resigning one after another and their morale is at an all time low. Especially if this officer gets charged they are going to be far more averse to action and in their head in serious situations out of fear. This isn't a good thing, it may reduce some brutality but it will also result in more cops and people dying for years now. Who is even going to want to become a cop anymore? If the people becoming cops were already meatheads, imagine now that everyone feels like cops are hated and if they get in a dangerous situation and kill someone a angry mob will go nuts and they'll be in even more danger as they get fired and marked for life. Remember cops don't have to act in dangerous situations, they don't have a duty to respond. As bad as police brutality is a problem, crime and murder causes far more damage to people and society by a lot. I don't think people realize how much crime and violence happens in the USA, and once a crime wave happens it is very hard to bring a state back, because people who would actually improve the area won't come or will flee and it will become even worse. It's a shame the dialogue became so extreme, I truly believe there was a middle way that could reduce police brutality without harming policing in the country.

This might just be me talking from no experience, but I'd rather have disorganized chaotic criminal murderers than organized efficient government murderers roaming the streets.