Yellow approach to police defunding

[ArchangelG]

Alex Vitale, professor in sociology, argues that a lot of modern policing can be replaced by social workers. 

Is it reasonable that police are first responders to social issues which they are not trained for?

Mental health issues?

Suicide attempts? 

Cats in trees?

Victims of crime, whose immidiate need is emotional support, rather than giving descriptions of perpetrators?

 

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by ArchangelG

[Leo Gura]

You'd have to actually test it in the field in various cities to see how viable this is.

It may be viable in some places but not in others.

Social workers can replace police to some extent in the most developed parts of the country.

But even so, America has lots of mass shootings, so you're still gonna need police with heavy gear to some degree. The question is, to what degree?

This is one of those highly complex issues that cannot be resolved ideologically but only scientifically by doing it and carefully tracking the results.

If guns weren't so widespread in America then the police force wouldn't have to be so heavily armed.

[intotheblack]

Sorry for bad quality twitter video but here is example of good policing in UK 

*Talking about the statue that was thrown in the river in Bristol*

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by intotheblack

[ArchangelG]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Social workers can replace police to some extent in the most developed parts of the country.

But even so, America has lots of mass shootings, so you're still gonna need police with heavy gear to some degree. The question is, to what degree?

The whole police force can't probably be dismanteled, but a lot of it can. The best way would probably be starting with the obvious ones(mental health issues, suicide attempts etc.) and then a gradual step by step process of removing responsabilities from police to social workers(for example). 

And for those issues that only the police can solve, will stay with the police.

[Leo Gura]

Calling that "defunding the police" is such bad framing though.

That framing will hurt the liberal agenda, scaring people away from embracing stage Green.

We have to be very careful with slogans like "socialist", "defunding the police", "open boarders", etc. This freaks normies out.

[Joel3102]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Calling that "defunding the police" is such bad framing though.

That framing will hurt the liberal agenda, scaring people away from embracing stage Green.

We have to be very careful with slogans like "socialist", "defunding the police", "open boarders", etc. This freaks normies out.

Very much agree. I’d include “ACAB -All Cops Are Bastards” in this as well, which has been becoming more popular. Such stupid framing 

[ArchangelG]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Calling that "defunding the police" is such bad framing though.

That framing will hurt the liberal agenda, scaring people away from embracing stage Green.

Very true.

What I really meant to say was "potentially outsourcing SOME police work to social workers".

It needs to be done methodically of course. And carefully evaluating social issues that policing is applied to. 

[Forestluv]

Traditionally, democrats are awful at framing issues. The linguistic specialists, such as George Lakoff, have been talking about this for years. The framing of “Defund the police” is atrocious. It doesn’t even accurately describe what most are calling for. However, this frame can easily be used by republicans to portray democrats as “weak on defense” or “lawless” as they’ve done for decades. Many Americans do not contemplate the issues and learn about nuances. I’m seeing around me like “Omigosh, I can’t believe democrats are calling to defund the police. The police have some problems, yet we need police and I think it’s better to address those issues than”. And when I say that police officers are often called in for situations they are not trained for, such as mentally ill and addictions and perhaps we should shift some police budgets toward having specialists in mental health, addiction and domestic violence, they respond “Absolutely, that sounds like a good idea. Yet I’m against defunding the police”. . . This highlights the problem of bad framing and linguistics and a weakness of democrats. They need to come up with more accurate framing terminology. “Restructuring the police” is better, yet hasn’t been good enough. I’m also starting to see “Re-imagining the police”. Meh. . . I can’t think of a short and simple frame off the top of my head. Maybe something like “communitizing the police”. . . Yet there are also violent aspects that need to be considered. There are an enormous number of high-powered guns in the U.S. and the 1994 crime bill sought to combat that by militarizing the police and “getting tough on crime”. This has escalated violence and has spilled into areas in which police violence is suboptimal. However, American identity and lobbyists perpetuate a gun culture. Some Americans see the violence and think we need more guns to deal with it. More civilians having guns, more police officers with more powerful weapons. This re-enforces and further escalates the dynamic.  

[Danioover9000]

   And this is where neuro-linguistic programming shines the best! Re-framing, among other mental modifiers, is NLP's bread and butter.

[Forestluv]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   And this is where neuro-linguistic programming shines the best! Re-framing, among other mental modifiers, is NLP's bread and butter.

Yep. Especially for personal development. A classic example is re-framing from “This is a problem” to “This is an opportunity”. 

[Matt23]

Fine display of stage yellow thinking!   "There's many contexts here."   

On a more serious note, i actually really appreciated how they handled that and how that guy addressed the press and explained it.  

I wish he said "Better to have a destroyed statue than violence and death."

[Forestluv]

59 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

I wish he said "Better to have a destroyed statue than violence and death."

Or one could say “Better to have destroyed a statue symbolizing oppression and suffering than leave it standing”.