Moral development and spirituality

[Eren Eeager]

what is the relation between the two? Is morality essential for deep levels of awakening?

If not how come then one access deep level of selflessness with a selfish ego?

[James123]

@Eren Eeager be humble as nothing, share and love as everything. Spirituality is heart of moral development.

[Osaid]

Awareness alone is curative. You will automatically become moral the more conscious you become, without having to actually follow any morals. This is true morality. Morals are just based on high-consciousness.

[mandyjw]

I know that answering questions with a question is super annoying but what is unconditional love and how does it apply to the questions?  

[Nahm]

@Eren Eeager

Spirituality points to what is appearing to be morality. 

[Danioover9000]

   It all depends on where the individual is at, and at which level of mind-body development they're at.

[SamueLSD]

4 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Spirituality points to what is appearing to be morality. 

( Love ) 

[Nahm]

@SamueLSD ?

[mindcentral]

Morality is a survival tool of ego's, something that stands in the way of consciousness.

[Eren Eeager]

17 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Eren Eeager

Spirituality points to what is appearing to be morality. 

Nice way to wrap it up ?

[krockerman]

19 hours ago, Osaid said:

Awareness alone is curative. You will automatically become moral the more conscious you become, without having to actually follow any morals. This is true morality. Morals are just based on high-consciousness.

Don’t mistake correlation with causation. A high conscious being are still capable of strong hate and low conscious strong love. It’s all relative. Good and evil are relative. What hurts one being can bring joy to another. 

[Danioover9000]

@krockerman

Just now, krockerman said:

Don’t mistake correlation with causation. A high conscious being are still capable of strong hate and low conscious strong love. It’s all relative. Good and evil are relative. What hurts one being can bring joy to another. 

   Exactly.

[Osaid]

@krockerman How does someone who is highly conscious subscribe to low-consciousness activities?

[Eren Eeager]

@Osaid because he is still a limited form. As long as you are a human being you will act  relatively selfishly 

[krockerman]

3 minutes ago, Osaid said:

@krockerman How does someone who is highly conscious subscribe to low-consciousness activities?

There have been many enlightened masters that have gone corrupt and exploited their followers for sex and money. Reality is relative. You are thinking of reality from an more absolutist point of view

[Eren Eeager]

@krockerman but they sacrificed God for sex and money when they did that.

[krockerman]

2 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

@krockerman but they sacrificed God for sex and money when they did that.

God as in absolute infinity will not limit you. 

[Eren Eeager]

@krockerman  Yeah but you are a limited being as long as you believe that. Love is the way out, selfishness will keep you limited. 

[krockerman]

2 minutes ago, Eren Eeager said:

@krockerman  Yeah but you are a limited being as long as you believe that. Love is the way out, selfishness will keep you limited. 

Egolessness will make you more independent of the state of the world. Even Leo have Said he could blow up the world and still love himself. I would not do that. I think you might start to see Why they could do the things they did

[Eren Eeager]

@krockerman  yeah I can Imagine what he means. you could kill somebody without it being a karma for you if you are developed enough