He who does not understand history is bound to repeat it.

[ivankiss]

@Member @An young being Ok...But...

What is improvisation?

At its core...In actuality - not in theory. What is it? How does it feel? 

...Anyone?

Can you improvise your way to the kitchen? How does that differ from you walking into the kitchen the same way you always do?

You can make a tea. Or you can improvise a tea.

What...the heck...is...improvisation? 

And why is it so freaking important?

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[Nak Khid]

21 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@Member @An young being Ok...But...

What is improvisation?

At its core...In actuality - not in theory. What is it? How does it feel? 

...Anyone?

Can you improvise your way to the kitchen? How does that differ from you walking into the kitchen the same way you always do?

You can make a tea. Or you can improvise a tea.

What...the heck...is...improvisation? 

And why is it so freaking important?

Improvising is doing something you already do but then mixing in some on the spot experiments. 
A second method is you react to a stimulus.   The stimulus will be something that is partially familiar and partially unfamiliar.  
Then it will force you to do trial and error reactions to it  and then observe which "work" to you and which don't. The feeling is curiosity,  excitement, surprise and present-ness especially when it works.
It taps the subconscious  in a way that might not be accessible otherwise. 
You already improvise but you stop to write it down bit by bit, pausing and it doesn't get called "improvising" but it still has a component of it. 
You go into the kitchen to make something you have learned to make using 5 ingredients. Then you decide "what if I add this 6th one"  or "what if I leave out one" . Then you try it. That is improvisation 

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[ivankiss]

4 minutes ago, Nak Khid said:

curiosity,  excitement, surprise and present-ness

Magic happening to itself.

 

[Nak Khid]

11 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Magic happening to itself.

 

This is the realm of creativity not meditation which is more oriented toward self observation or focusing on one thing repetitively. 

So you take out your instrument and turn on a recorder.  Then start playing as wrongly and terribly as possible. Make it as hideous and wild as you can. Do that for a while to loosen up and not judge anything as bad.   That is acceptance. 
After 5 or 10 minutes of that some one thing might strike you , a direction.   This is process of putting down every color and then seeing which are affecting you, then going that way.  So this goes on for an hour or more.
Then the next day you play it back.  
It's horrible and messy. 
But there is this one gem there that you didn't even notice at the time.  Then you write that down. 

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[Jacobsrw]

@ivankiss Firstly, we have a very warped and limited view of history from which we have unstable ground to judge it. Secondly, problems do not arise from repeating history, they arise from the inability to perceive what IS and mistakenly perceive what ego wants to perceive.

One could have no recall of history, be in a state of transient no mind and still operate more consciously than any predecessor. The answer is pure consciousness not the fragmented memory of a historic past.

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[ivankiss]

1 hour ago, Nak Khid said:

Then start playing as wrongly and terribly as possible. 

The improvisation I'm speaking of is flawless. Pure perfection. A masterpiece, even. 

Isn't your body an instrument, too?

57 minutes ago, Jacobsrw said:

Firstly, we have a very warped and limited view of history from which we have unstable ground to judge it.

That's not what I had in mind. But ok. I hear ya.

Secondly, problems do not arise from repeating history, they arise from the inability to perceive what IS and mistakenly perceive what ego wants to perceive.

Who said there was a problem? I sometimes listen to a song on repeat. It's not a problem, at all. It can be on loop forever.

One could have no recall of history, be in a state of transient no mind and still operate more consciously than any predecessor. The answer is pure consciousness not the fragmented memory of a historic past.

Good. But I feel like there's more to consider  

 

What would you say, why do thoughts arise?

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[Nak Khid]

8 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

The improvisation I'm speaking of is flawless. Pure perfection. A masterpiece, even. 

 

the spirit of improvisation is experimentation and a trial and error process.
Perfection is a illusion.  Even if all programmed 

[ivankiss]

@Nak Khid Magic is neither an illusion nor is it a program. Magic is magical. Mysterious. Amazing. Unbelievable.

It is sheer perfection, and even beyond. Magic is everywhere, yet it's nowhere to be found.

Now what does all of this have to do with the topic? And why is improvisation key?

[Nak Khid]

you seem to have been getting a little over the top lately 

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[ivankiss]

Ok 

[Jacobsrw]

@ivankiss Your thread title insinuates that a repetition of past events is something to be concerned about. Thus, it is important to understand them.

Im suggesting that history is nothing but merely a distorted mental fabrication. Completely relative to the paradigm one is coming from. Therefore, history is extremely ambiguous, arbitrary and irrelevant to what one does in the present.

I understand your sentiment here. However, it assumes history has some sort of monopoly over the now. History is surface level. Consciousness is fundamental. One does not need to concern them self with history if the consciousness they operate is perceiving clearly.

 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Jacobsrw

[ivankiss]

@Jacobsrw Of course consciousness is fundamental. I thought that was obvious. What else could contemplate "history"?

History is thought.

He who does not understand thought is bound to keep getting lost in thought.

That's the simplest way I can put it. It has nothing to do with the Roman Empire or whatnot. Tho it sure can seem like it does.

Such is thought.

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[Nak Khid]

 

 

President Donald Trump tweeted Thursday in all capital letters, a day after saying he "will not even consider" renaming Fort Bragg and other military installations named after Confederate generals.

 

 

[ivankiss]

@Nak Khid

[Member]

On 6/10/2020 at 11:11 PM, ivankiss said:

Ok...But... What is improvisation?

According to Wikipedia: "Improvisation is the activity of making or doing something not planned beforehand, using whatever can be found."

... in the present?

But note that improvisation requires doing something, instead of observing your thoughts. Thus, it requires an action.

[ivankiss]

43 minutes ago, Member said:

Thus, it requires an action.

...instead of observing or listening to your thoughts 

That sums it all up nicely, imo.

Then again; action is not action, really 

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[Member]

11 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Then again; action is not action, really 

Everything that shapes your future is an action or a reaction to past actions

Is action the same with thought?

[ivankiss]

@Member

There is no actor and no act. 

What is "action" if it requires no effort?

?

[Member]

@ivankiss action is creation and reaction is recreation.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/recreation

Quote

the act of making something exist or happen again:

a recreation of one of the most famous events in history

 

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[ivankiss]

9 minutes ago, Member said:

@ivankiss action is creation and reaction is recreation.

Ok. But...Thoughts ⬆️?

The answer is 'pure magic'. No one knows anything about it. No one's doing it. And it's doing nothing.

It's just Magic  ...and it's now.

❤

Edited June 12, 2020 by ivankiss