Will Trump be re-elected?

[remember]

7 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

@Consept Was not the subject, it was about cop killings. Also not the past. Why do you need so many escapes. You are doing this from the beginning. Cops kill whites easier and this is systematic.

maybe because whites are systematically more criminal if they are criminal? more likely to shoot first? you would actually need to see the whole statistics to put your assumption on that base of argumentation.

it‘s about how often is someone killed or treated brutally by police due to being in a weaker position. if a policeman hits a child with a stick it’s disproportional.

Edited June 9, 2020 by remember

[Preety_India]

8 minutes ago, Consept said:

. A lot of people are stuck in a welfare cycle but her solution is to just stop welfare and let everyone fend for themselves and if they cant its there fault. Its not very empathetic and it just wouldnt really work it would be a mess, that doesnt mean the problem isnt valid but the solution, could be looking at how to tweak the welfare system, or raising the minimum wage to incentivise people to come off welfare,

This point I absolutely agree with. I agree with a lot of what she says in terms of black on black crime. But I don't agree that the welfare should be stopped. Because historically black people have been marginalized and given the poverty they will hardly have an opportunity to get out of it or progress at the rate required so the welfare is very much needed for black people, saying that people are completely responsible for their own outcome is Unempathetic and refusing to help where help is needed. Also schools in black neighborhoods need higher investment so that black kids get better opportunities for their future. 

 

[remember]

2 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

@remember Nope blacks are disproportionally criminal. Cops are scared to be called racist so they shoot whites easier. Same here in netherlands , extra leniency towards things because scared to be called a racist.

and therefore it’s the fault of the black people?

[Preety_India]

@Dutch guy  absolutely. It's important to have a system where white men just aren't allowed to drop out ever.. I could have made a draconian law like that. Just joking..Lmao 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Preety_India

[Epikur]

Just now, Preety_India said:

This point I absolutely agree with. I agree with a lot of what she says in terms of black on black crime. But I don't agree that the welfare should be stopped. Because historically black people have been marginalized and given the poverty they will hardly have an opportunity to get out of it or progress at the rate required so the welfare is very much needed for black people, saying that people are completely responsible for their own outcome is Unempathetic and refusing to help where help is needed. Also schools in black neighborhoods need higher investment so that black kids get better opportunities for their future. 

 

Yes there has to be a very smart systems of incentives to gratify "good" behaviour. That is some higher level social engineering, positive psychology, self motivation, self improvement thing.

One theory is that the democrats did consciously creat incentives for women to be single moms. If she had a man she did not get welfare money. That produced the core problem of having no fathers. That seems to be a big  reason for the crime problem.

 

[Consept]

8 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

@Consept Was not the subject, it was about cop killings. Also not the past. Why do you need so many escapes. You are doing this from the beginning. Cops kill whites easier and this is systematic.

Why are you not sure about the study? My first reply about the whole subject had a link of such an study.

She has an agenda? She is just making her points. You also have an agenda my friend. You have done quite a lot of attempts to try to call me a fundamentalist and also a white supremacist. Keep your eyes on the ball.

I dont know if youre saying i should agree with all of it, i agree with some and not al and ive spent time to give clear reasons why. 

The type of crime you do is very much based on many factors including your wealth, black people commit disproportionately more street crime and white people commit disproportionately more white collar crime. So it would seem that one race doesnt commit more crime than the other but wealth levels dictate what crime youre likely to commit. For example if majority of white people were in poverty they would commit more street crime, if majority black people were wealthy they would commit more white collar crime. 

Not sure about the study as i havent seen it so cant comment, if you show me ill look at it. 

Yes by definition if you are a republican you have an agenda, same way Biden has an agenda or anyone aligned to an ideology, religion, political party or whatever, shes not an independent speaker she wouldnt really be able to go against the Trump for example, which is why despite admitting having no evidence or insight on climate change she stuck to the party line on Rogan, if she was an independent she wouldnt have needed to do this - 

 

[Preety_India]

@Dutch guy  I could take out my Asian revenge on them. Because as an Asian i was never allowed to bunk school and strict upbringing from my parents to study hard and never miss classes can make me a bit jealous of white men who get to drop out. So yea lol, i would wish strict parents on them too. 

 

[Preety_India]

3 minutes ago, Epikur said:

One theory is that the democrats did consciously creat incentives for women to be single moms. If she had a man she did not get welfare money. That produced the core problem of having no fathers. That seems to be a big  reason for the crime problem.

Lmao.. If a man wants to be a father, he will be a father by hook or by crook. No force in the universe can ever stop a man from being a dad around their child. Not even the mom. 

 

[Consept]

8 minutes ago, Epikur said:

One theory is that the democrats did consciously creat incentives for women to be single moms. If she had a man she did not get welfare money. That produced the core problem of having no fathers. That seems to be a big  reason for the crime problem.

Could have something to do with it, i think poverty in general will create that situation where the man doesnt feel like he can support his family, or if he has to resort to crime. But either way fatherless homes are a massive problem 

@Preety_India Anything i said that you disagree or that you thought was biased in my original reply?

[Epikur]

6 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Lmao.. If a man wants to be a father, he will be a father by hook or by crook. No force in the universe can ever stop a man from being a dad around their child. Not even the mom. 

 

I think that is not the point. I think the theory is she doesn't want a father because then she would lose easy money. She would be dependent on him.  He would be the boss. I guess she wants to be rather independent because that is what feminism and media says. 

This way she can have fun with other men for hook ups and feel like a boss and have the security to have enough money. 





 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Epikur

[Preety_India]

@Consept nope. You made really good points. 

 

[Consept]

1 minute ago, Preety_India said:

@Consept nope. You made really good points. 

 

Cool x

[Preety_India]

@Consept  @Dutch guy @Epikur

Ok guys had a really good debate with all of you.. Lots of good points and got to learn a lot from y'all. Carry on your discussions. 

I gotta go now. It's evening here. 

All of you, have a great day. 

 

[Epikur]

2 minutes ago, Consept said:

Could have something to do with it, i think poverty in general will create that situation where the man doesnt feel like he can support his family, or if he has to resort to crime. But either way fatherless homes are a massive problem 

@Preety_India Anything i said that you disagree or that you thought was biased in my original reply?

Right plus the gangster culture makes it hard to even consider to be a good dad as there are too few role models.

[Consept]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Consept  @Dutch guy @Epikur

Ok guys had a really good debate with all of you.. Lots of good points and got to learn a lot from y'all. Carry on your discussions. 

I gotta go now. It's evening here. 

All of you, have a great day. 

 

Cool have a good evening, im out as well x 

 

2 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Right plus the gangster culture makes it hard to even consider to be a good dad as there are too few role models.

It has a part to play, i wouldnt say theres a gangster culture, more that theres a gangster influence, like you wouldnt say Italians are a gangster culture but they have a gangster influence. But i agree we need more role models, ive worked in youth charities here in the UK and it is an issue 100%. Thats something as a community that needs to be sorted. So theres many sides to this, a lot can be helped in terms of policies like equal funding for schools but also black people can work on a lot of the community and family level things as well. Even though i think the situation has been created due to history it doesnt mean we cant be response- able and look at what can be changed ourselves. Its a very complex issue and limiting it to just one thing is a very narrow perspective of it

[remember]

21 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

Society is already more hard on men. Do you think people could be so harsh to trump if he it was a women? This would probably be a nice video for you. Edit changed the video into a short one.

 

if trump was a woman she would probably be a dick grabber i wonder if someone like that would ever even make it to the top - society really is more hard on men than on women, i would say that’s because men are more hard on themselves.

Edited June 9, 2020 by remember
wanted to add that this was irony - in the case someone didn’t get that part.

[ItsNick]

A question that's been on my mind lately: What will Trump do if he loses?

I think it might be ugly.

[Epikur]

5 minutes ago, Consept said:

Cool have a good evening, im out as well x 

 

It has a part to play, i wouldnt say theres a gangster culture, more that theres a gangster influence, like you wouldnt say Italians are a gangster culture but they have a gangster influence. But i agree we need more role models, ive worked in youth charities here in the UK and it is an issue 100%. Thats something as a community that needs to be sorted. So theres many sides to this, a lot can be helped in terms of policies like equal funding for schools but also black people can work on a lot of the community and family level things as well. Even though i think the situation has been created due to history it doesnt mean we cant be response- able and look at what can be changed ourselves. Its a very complex issue and limiting it to just one thing is a very narrow perspective of it

I think one important thing to teach people is self discipline and work ethic. Today I read about Henri the father of socialism. He seems to be a realistic guy. He thinks our default as people is to be lazy. That is why it is so hard to create a civilization and to maintain it. I really believe that degeneration is around the corner. It is so easy to give up and lose momentum. It is easy to observe that with the black community but it's true for everyone. 

I started to watch film noir from the 40s. The mordern movies feel like mindless disneyland. I love pop culture but I think it is addicting and can distract from ones duties so easily. Next you see you wasted decades of your life.

It is hard to make the machine going.

 

[Epikur]

2 minutes ago, ItsNick said:

A question that's been on my mind lately: What will Trump do if he loses?

I think it might be ugly.

Who knows? But we know for shure how much false propaganda and lies the mainstream media did about Trump.

Bill Maher comes to mind. I have the feeling that he doesn't like Trump because it makes him look bad when he meets his european jet set friends. 

I would rather go with Tucker Carlson. He seems to criticize Trump more for the right reasons.

Plus Trump did happen because of the Democrats. If they would not be such crooks Trump would not had a chance in the first place.

Crazy times need crazy people or so



 

[roopepa]

@Dutch guy You are literally creating "the white culture" out of thin air. You are creating it by dividing between yourself and other, white and black, this and that. 

There is no fucking white culture if you don't differentiate it from "other" cultures. If you truly love your culture, you should be as grateful for those other cultures for making this even possible for you. You actually love all cultures as much as you love your own, but you're just not conscious of it.

Because of that, your love for your culture is showing up as a need to defend "your own" and blame "the other".

Stop doing that. There is a better way to love yourself.