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[Epikur]

15 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

Stay away from petty human shit. Who's doing what more than who. Theres no satisfaction from playing these games. That's horrrrrse-shit. 

-Leo Gura 2k20 

I really like that part of the video because social media, riot streets, and celebrity culture is really headache inducing. 

 

That is one way to see it. I like sometimes watching muslim debates just to check what is out there. One bing imam was from the USA. He is a black guy he had this black coolness mixed with muslim way of life. 

He said if you are a drug addict then watching MMA is good for you. If you are already high on your way then don't watch MMA. 

So it depends how high you are. If you are to low you might need still low input, It will just take time and effort to get higher. In the mean time you might 'need' petty human shit. Of course this is probably just the non-dualistic way. 







 

[Epikur]

3 minutes ago, louhad said:

 

One day we'll all link up, eat a couple grams and have a more fruitful convo about trump. 

 

Anyway, good luck on your journey homie!

In Europe I guess it would be Portugal. They have a very liberal policy. Where in Amerika and Asia would it be?

Uruguay comes to mind with South Amerika.

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, Epikur said:

Where in Amerika and Asia would it be?

In America, Denver Colorado and a few cities in California have legalized psyches. 

[Preety_India]

 

41 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

I may seem more extreme than you think. I have intercultural friendships. I am for equal education, good healthcare like here, cannabis to be legal etc etc.

Thnx.

We all like you bud 

 

[remember]

@Dirk diggler sth seems to be off with your third eye. and anyways your chakras seem to be switched.

[Epikur]

2 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

@Epikur I agree that there is confusion and ambiguity of what socialism, democratic socialism and social democrat is. And I agree Bernie was vague about this and his opposition easily painted him as a whacky socialist. You make an interesting point that if he adopted a new, cleaner term like social democrat he may have gotten more support. I knew some democrats that didn’t vote for him because he wasn’t a “real democrat” and they were worried he wouldn’t be loyal to the party.

Regarding M4A, it seems like some of the confusion is that only the cost of M4A is presented and people assume that it is an additional cost. For example, if I only told someone the cost of a car is $32,000 it would seem unaffordable, if I leave out the part that they will be getting $34,000 trade-in for their old car. . . In this context, it’s probably better to just say that M4A will save money. 

 

My guess is many people in Europe also would not vote for a democratic socialist but rather for a social democrat. 

Yes with M4A that is how to explain but that is only 20%. I for example didn't understand it at the beginning. Like said before there a still studies that go against these 22 studies. I might dwelve in deeper to understand the numbers when I get the motivation. 

 

[Arcangelo]

 

[Arcangelo]

''Don't be the asshole America''

[Arcangelo]

Yeah it is the greatest reality show ever. I hope to see 4 more years of it. I have a bet on it actually.

The owner of this forum low key called you an idiot why are you still here?

[DrewNows]

@Dutch guy and @Arcangelo hats off to you guys, stay true!

Edited June 6, 2020 by DrewNows

[LaucherJunge]

@Dutch guy
Really enjoyed this thread a lot. I know how hard it can be to stand against the mass of this forum. They aren't going to get it until it's too late.
There definitely are plenty of Trump supporters on this forum for good reason even though Leo alongside others are totally bashing him like they were the stage red embodiment of what they see in him themselves. I simply think to many people Trump is simply a mirror they just can't get over and thus they reject it with all the power and tricks they can come up with, doesn't help it of course if the entire world and media is supporting exactly that.

[ParanoidAndroid]

On 05/06/2020 at 9:28 PM, Danioover9000 said:

   That's not nice.

But true...

[Parththakkar12]

7 hours ago, LaucherJunge said:

Really enjoyed this thread a lot. I know how hard it can be to stand against the mass of this forum. They aren't going to get it until it's too late.

If I were a public figure who had my own forum, i.e. if I were in Leo's position, I would also take the most progressive stance. Now because I see what I see, I wouldn't be bashing the conservative perspective and I'd try to integrate them. But if you look at it strictly ideologically/systemically, Leo is right. This is what Leo identifies as - a philosophically minded person who is a very good systems thinker. I'd agree.

Now why the most progressive position? Why take a position at all? Why not be neutral and inclusive position? I'll tell you why:

1. Ideological positions will be taken according to what you want to do. Ideological positions inform your action, whether you are an individual or a collective. So if you are an ideological leader, i.e. your ideological positions are important to a lot of people, the best way to use that power is to push whatever change you want to see in the world. This would be after you've worked on yourself enough to not get drunk on your power and to be able to handle it. The way to do it would be to support progressive agendas.
2. You have only 2 choices to choose from - progressivism or classical conservatism. If you want to see change happen, you will have to push for progressivism as you don't really have an option.
3. If you are a leader, you will have to take some sort of stand. Your stand will be the stand of the collective you're leading because you're the one calling the shots in your collective. At least operationally this is the case, because the structure of the systems in the collective say that you set the rules, the mods ensure that your rules are followed. This is part and parcel of being an ideological leader, or a leader in general.

You may have seen Leo say 'Go start your own forum' when someone challenged his way of handling this one. He can do that as this is not a democratic forum. This is exactly how leadership works - Whoever has the most power leads. Now you can build yourself to be that powerful if you want to lead.

[LaucherJunge]

@Parththakkar12
Not everybody has the desire to lead. Leo can do what ever he wants and I can have my opinion and view of that matter without blindly following his words and ideals.

What if practically speaking progressivism simply doesn't work at the current point in time and makes matters even worse for everyone? What if the best for the greater good is conservatism and sometime in the future when development allows it the world might need progressivism again for the greater good. 
This statement would actually transform conservatism into progressivism at this moment in time. Of course this is just my opinion from my big picture thinking and intuition, you might get to other conclusions and that's fine, everyone can have his opinions but attacking others for theirs to the point that they start losing their jobs is not far from fascism, actually you could argue that it already is. Is fascism progressive?

Edited June 7, 2020 by LaucherJunge

[Parththakkar12]

42 minutes ago, LaucherJunge said:

Not everybody has the desire to lead. Leo can do what ever he wants and I can have my opinion and view of that matter without blindly following his words and ideals.

Being a leader doesn't necessarily mean you dictate what people believe or don't believe. What it does mean is that you take a clear stand and you base your work around it. You are in the business of creating social change, which means you will have a vision of the change you want to see and you'll lead people in the direction of that change.

44 minutes ago, LaucherJunge said:

What if practically speaking progressivism simply doesn't work at the current point in time and makes matters even worse for everyone? What if the best for the greater good is conservatism and sometime in the future when development allows it the world might need progressivism again for the greater good. 
This statement would actually transform conservatism into progressivism at this moment in time. Of course this is just my opinion from my big picture thinking and intuition, you might get to other conclusions and that's fine, everyone can have his opinions but attacking others for theirs to the point that they start losing their jobs is not far from fascism, actually you could argue that it already is. Is fascism progressive?

It depends on how you define it. You are free to open your eyes and see for yourself what will create positive change, you don't have to blindly believe someone else's definition of progressivism.

Now there is a consensus of what the public believes is progressive vs conservative. There are archaic institutions out there which have all sorts of oppressive, exploitative dynamics. The society you live in has certain needs relative to the times and the dynamics it is currently dealing with. The more tapped in you are to the reality of your society, the more credible your perspective you will have. In the business of being an intellectual expert, credibility is power. The more credible/powerful you'll be, the more chances you have of leading, the more potential you have of actually creating the change you want to see.

The way you grow your perspective to be more and more credible is by participating in debates with people who are credible. You can consider it a power-struggle of sorts to win credibility. The more you've participated in a power-struggle/competition, the more you've failed and the more you learn/develop, the stronger you'll be.

Now there are intellectually dishonest people who will use factual inaccuracies/projections to prove themselves right. This can be considered 'punching below the belt' or 'cheating' in the debate. You just gotta see that and resist the temptation of proving them wrong. Anyone can fall into these traps.

[electroBeam]

If I was a US citizen back in 2016, I would have voted for Trump.

Here are several reasons that I strongly remember for voting for the Trump version of my country (Pauline Hanson) back around that time(note its very hard for me to remember why now, because my opinions back in 2016 seem so out of wack now, that I'm finding it hard to remember if I seriously believed them, but here goes an attempt to give an authentic and accurate account):

1. Family Pressure: my parents are deep trump supporters (even now). Not voting for trump would have been a betrayal to my family. My family raised me, gave me food, a roof over my head. The democrats (what they told me) hurted my parents interests, made it harder to feed me and the rest of my family. By not voting for trump I would have been biting the hand that fed me.

2. (this one is very hard to remember haha) the democrats (leftists and greens) wreck the economy. The make it harder for me to get a job, my family and friends to get a job, by spending money that go beyond our interests (like immigration and sending food to refugees)

3. Immigration is wrong because you're bringing in people who are barbaric and racists against people in your home country (white people). You're bringing in people who spit on the streets, cause fights, etc. By doing this you're turning the country into a 3rd world country.

4. White people are smarter than brown and black people. Look at all inventions in the world, all done by white people. The best countries in the world are white.

5. White people are penalised and are handicapped by society because they don't get black or aboriginal scholarships from university. Brown and black people can be racist to white people, but white people can't be racist to black people. If a white person says that a black person has a big nose, the leftists will destroy him, yet if a brown person says a white person's nose is long, nothing happens to them. In reality its actually the white people that are treated poorly in society. Trump will stop that.

6. Extreme right groups are taken off facebook and police arrest them yet don't arrest antifa. Trump reverses that which is what should happen. Its the leftists that are the real problem, not the far right.

7. Cops keep harm off the streets and leftists are trying to make the world disrespectful. They are barbaric and immoral.

8. Islam is taking over the world. Trump will stop that.

9. Islamic and black people rape white women. They are barbaric. Stop importing them. Islamics are terrorists. Look at germany, all the rapists are black immigrants. Germany is finished, its going down hill because of immigration. We need Trump to save the west from turning islamic and stop our women being raped. Islamic women wear hijabs which means they can hide terrorist weapons. They also criticise white women on the beach for not wearing hijabs. They need to go back to where they came from.

10. Left/democrat politicians are weak. They let countries like china and iran get away with blue murder. Blow up the middle east, stop china from ripping westerners off, they are barbaric. 

Loads more reasons that now I've done the exercise I'm starting to remember them. I actually still agree with lots of these points. I think a good chunk of them are true. I just see them now from a bigger perspective, and see that the only way forward is to tolerate some of these reasons. I also see that a lot of these reasons are fear based and are not true or deeply exaggerated. I still think 6. is true to a certain extent. I also still think 9. is true to a certain extent too. I also still think immigrants from other cultures can be blatantly racist without penalty, while whites cannot. The treatment for an asian that says she cannot marry a foreigner would be far better by the left then a white hillbilly from the south saying she cannot marry a foreigner. I think this is wrong and where leftists are misguided. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by electroBeam

[Consept]

We love you guys, enjoy your journey, be empathetic of people if possible and when youre all ready to come back to source we'll all be here for you, Love guys good luck 

[Dazgwny]

Trump is full of shit, shit shit and more shit. Never have I heard so much drivel drool out of a mans mouth. Especially a leader of one of, if not, probably the most powerful nation on the planet. You would think that with me being from the UK that this wouldn’t be of any interest to me. But it is, as the UK kiss America’s ass and without siding with America as we always do, then the UK is actually weak as piss. No doubt most brits would claim otherwise, as most people I know do, believe we’ve got more about us than we actually have. But it’s not the case. We need America, and we need it ran well, not by an idiot like Donald trump

Edited June 8, 2020 by Dazgwny

[DivineSoda]

IF I was a voting person (which I'm not) AND I believed in voting for the lesser of two evils (which I don't).. THEN I would vote Trump. 

Why? Because at least Trump pisses people off and gets us to care again. We need to care again. I believe all our past President's have been shit. That's how we got to where we are today. The proof is in the pudding. 

I would take an obvious bafoon over a wolf in sheep's clothing any day. 

[nahtanoj]

Trump anti war? Are you guys asleep? Trump killed an Iranian general just because he got roasted by the guy on Twitter. Trump is against the first amendment, he is just an egomaniac with luck. I was going to vote green party but now Trump has to go, or he would burn the system down. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by nahtanoj