Trump Supporters in this Forum

[Danioover9000]

@louhad

3 minutes ago, louhad said:

@Danioover9000

I would say that someone who supports donald trump as a politician and would vote for him qualifies as a trump supporter. 

And I am asking this forum because I feel like trump is pretty antithetical to the mission of actualized.org and am just curious. 

 

Would or could vote for Trump? Is someone that is non-American also a Trump supporter?

Is this before or after Leo voiced his opinion about Trump in his videos/posts that gave you this antithetical feeling of Trump?

Have you asked on other websites or places about Trump supporters before?

[Forestluv]

14 minutes ago, Bodigger said:

Bernie is not running....is he. 

I dindn’t say he was. He is an active Senator and an example of progressive democrats. 

14 minutes ago, Bodigger said:

Not true in my opinion.  

It’s not about opinions. The Republican / Trump “tax cut” was a massive wealth redistribution to the Uber wealthy. 

https://fortune.com/2017/11/03/trump-gop-tax-plan-cuts-2017/

https://inequality.org/research/trump-tax-cuts-inequality/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/camilomaldonado/2019/10/10/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less-taxes-than-the-working-class-in-2018/#5dc8d043128f

https://budget.house.gov/publications/publication/gop-tax-law-showers-benefits-wealthy-and-large-corporations-while

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-cuts-jobs-act-wealth-economists-inequality-1464048

https://www.wsj.com/articles/tax-cuts-for-the-wealthy-make-inequality-worse-11572561280

Wake up. We are getting screwed. 

14 minutes ago, Bodigger said:

What part of Michigan are you residing?  I am thinking a highly liberal area where taxes are through the roof and not much to show for it, when it comes to the commonwealth. 

You think wrong. I live in an R+4 district. 

[TrustTheProcess]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@louhad

Would or could vote for Trump? Is someone that is non-American also a Trump supporter?

Is this before or after Leo voiced his opinion about Trump in his videos/posts that gave you this antithetical feeling of Trump?

Have you asked on other websites or places about Trump supporters before?

I guess would or could.

Lol, regardless of what leo directly said about trump... just based on everything else

I have seen prager u comments.... it is expected to see them there... Just not really on this site. that is why I am curious!!

Edited June 5, 2020 by louhad

[Preety_India]

5 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

He sees the game being played against Isreal.

You lost an entire universe in this one comment. 

 

 

[TrustTheProcess]

 

8 minutes ago, Dutch guy said:

@louhad  Why? 

The whole point of the site is self actualization. Becoming the absolute best version of yourself. Being more selfless. Becoming psychologically developed. Increasing your capacity to love and have compassion for yourself and for others. 

 

I just don't personally feel like trump reflects those. 

Edited June 5, 2020 by louhad

[Preety_India]

 

@Dutch guy  you once again missed the universe. Nevermind. Sometimes the mirror doesn't come to you. You have to walk towards it. The whole world is a metaphor and you are it's king. 

 

[Danioover9000]

@louhad

1 minute ago, louhad said:

I guess would or could.

Lol, regardless of what leo said about trump... just based on everything else

I have seen prager u comments. 

   Would or could makes a big difference. If you could vote, you can have a say in politics. However, If you couldn't vote at all, depending on some circumstances, that leaves you unable to have a say in whatever politics you are in. Whether you would or wouldn't vote for a politician is another issue, because in most countries, if you're eligible for voting, you have to vote to register as a citizen paying taxes. As far as I know, the USA does allow you to not vote for any politicians and you could declare yourselves stateless, but that choice is illegal in most countries.

   Not regardless. If you followed Leo for years, and he's your role model, and he says his opinions about Trump, would you agree that that would shape your view of Trump? After all, he's the vehicle in which you made real progress, right?

   Mind sharing some of those Prager U comments? Any other website?

   Have you talked to a 'Trump supporter' face to face? I'm asking because you acknowledged that this website is antithetical to Trump. I know you said you were genuinely curious, but what if you're not really curious, but instead feeling secure in that because this website is antithetical to Trump, you wouldn't face strong backlash voicing your question?

   

[Forestluv]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

 

However, If you couldn't vote at all, depending on some circumstances, that leaves you unable to have a say in whatever politics you are in.

Are you saying a person that cannot vote has no say in politics?

There are many ways someone ineligible to vote can have a say. The person can donate or volunteer for a campaign. The person can try to educate others about candidates. The person can make posts about politics on social media. 

I’m a U.S. citizen, yet if I volunteered 20hrs a week working for a campaign in a local French election, that would be a huge say.

[Forestluv]

1 minute ago, Dutch guy said:

Why I named some immoral stuff from the other party that shows it's the other way around.

This is what I was asking for. Could you direct me to what you consider immoral stuff from progressive democrats? (Not neoliberal / corporate democrats). 

[Forestluv]

Just now, Dutch guy said:

@Serotoninluv It didn't get better under Obama either did it?

Obama is a neoliberal / corporate democrat. I don’t know how many times I need to say this. I am not a supporter of neoliberal / corporate policies.

With that said, my comment about us “getting screwed” was in reference to the massive wealth distribution to the Uber wealth and billionaires. Relative to this immoral wealth redistribution, the tax code was much better under Obama. 

[Epikur]

11 minutes ago, louhad said:

The whole point of the site is self actualization. Becoming the absolute best version of yourself. Being more selfless. Becoming psychologically developed. Increasing your capacity to love and have compassion for yourself and for others. 

 

I just don't personally feel like trump reflects those. 

This comes to my mind:

Actually this site is very interesting in this regard. Self improvement is the pillar of this site. This is not a left wing talking point but it is regarded as a right wing talking point. 

Even the color stages can be seen as racist. It could be interpreted as othering people. It is an other way of saying that they are primitive and unciviliced. Coincidently almost all black communities and Afrika are then lower stages.

The stages can be seen as hierarchical structures. The person on the top has more authority. 

It reminds of protestants who talk about god and compassion but they use that to calm their mind to be then more charged to go for the real thing that is money and power.

Or it reminds me of the CEOs and  Samurais who meditate and are ego-less temporarily to be even more effective later in their "wars"

The difference of this site to the right wingers is that this site puts more weight into socialistic visions. 

With all that in mind this site repells far left and far right people. So this site is quite centrist politically from an european point of view. The art of this site is that it can channel the angry energy of the users into spirituality. This is the trick why this forum does not become toxic like other forums and that is something special.




















 

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Epikur said:

Or it reminds me of the CEOs and  Samurais who meditate and are ego-less temporarily to be even more effective later in their "wars"

Hahaha 

That was such a good point. 

 

[Forestluv]

Just now, Dutch guy said:

@Serotoninluv I don't follow everything from united states. I saw what Obama did for a part. Bernie I don't now good enough.

The U.S. only has two viable parties: Republicans and democrats. The Republican Party is pretty much under the grip of Trump. There are a scattering of moderate Republicans, yet they don’t really have a voice. For example, every one in a while the moderate republican Mitt Romney will criticize Trump and then Trump bullies him silent. They pretty much have no voice.

On the democrat side, the moderates have most of the power. They are stage orange and are often referred to as neoliberal / corporate democrats. What you saw of Obama was mostly neoliberalism/corporatism. They are more into wars, protecting profits for corporations, they are funded by corporate lobbyists and billionaires. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is gaining power and a stronger voice. They have about 30% support of the Democratic Party. This is enough for a voice, yet not enough to nominate a candidate like Bernie Sanders. The progressives are green. They are about restructuring social and political systems to benefit regular people. They do not accepts any money from corporations, lobbyists or billionaires. They are funded by regular people and often have an average donation of under $20. One of their major priorities is Medicare for All - a healthcare system to that found in the Netherlands, Denmark etc. 

Overall, they want to raise the quality of life for those that are not wealthy. For example, they want to create decent, affordable housing for poor people. They don’t target specific groups like pushing for affordable housing for poor black people. Yet they know that poor people are disproportionately brown and black, so if they raise the quality of life for ALL poor people, they will raise disproportionately help minorities, since poor people are disproportionately minorities. As well, they want to create free university education for ALL people - poor people AND rich people. Again, this will disproportionately help poor people since poor people don’t have access to higher education. . . To me, progressive policies are more aligned with what you are talking about. For example, they are consistent with “All Lives Matter”, they want to give healthcare and education to ALL lives. 

[Epikur]

5 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Hahaha 

That was such a good point. 

 

When I think about it I could add "drugged CEO, Samurais" who become more effective. Like the historical assassins and ninjas. Though I don't know if the ninjas were drugged but it would make sense. 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Epikur

[Danioover9000]

@Serotoninluv

6 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

Are you saying a person that cannot vote has no say in politics?

There are many ways someone ineligible to vote can have a say. The person can donate or volunteer for a campaign. The person can try to educate others about candidates. The person can make posts about politics on social media. 

Can a person with a severe mental disorder, in such a state of consciousness unable to voice his/her thought to another, be able to vote for a politician?

Can a person in a vegetable state (coma), vote?

Can a person vote under a life and death situation?

If a person has given a vote, but under duress to do so(blackmailed, threatened to vote, e.c.t) be considered a vote?

To the OP, when I addressed the could've, I meant it in such extreme circumstances that the person cannot vote, absolutely cannot vote without risk of life. While we're talking about politics, we also have animal rights issues. Do they have a right to vote? What about the A.I program that can speak, that was given American citizenship? 

Regarding would've, a choosing, that is interesting, because if you don't want to vote, can you don't want to vote? In a dictatorship? A tribe? An alien planet? The astral realms?

And I'm interested in the OP's motivations for this thread.

 

[Epikur]

10 minutes ago, Serotoninluv said:

 To me, progressive policies are more aligned with what you are talking about. For example, they are consistent with “All Lives Matter”, they want to give healthcare and education to ALL lives. 

That is the reason why they are feared. This saying can be and sometimes are interpreted like we are all equal and must be treated equal even if one lives in USA and one in Afrika. 

Then it becomes suddenly "logical" not to have borders and national states. When reasonable people hear that they turn away in horror.
 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Epikur

[TrustTheProcess]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@louhad

   Would or could makes a big difference. If you could vote, you can have a say in politics. However, If you couldn't vote at all, depending on some circumstances, that leaves you unable to have a say in whatever politics you are in. Whether you would or wouldn't vote for a politician is another issue, because in most countries, if you're eligible for voting, you have to vote to register as a citizen paying taxes. As far as I know, the USA does allow you to not vote for any politicians and you could declare yourselves stateless, but that choice is illegal in most countries.

   Not regardless. If you followed Leo for years, and he's your role model, and he says his opinions about Trump, would you agree that that would shape your view of Trump? After all, he's the vehicle in which you made real progress, right?

   Mind sharing some of those Prager U comments? Any other website?

   Have you talked to a 'Trump supporter' face to face? I'm asking because you acknowledged that this website is antithetical to Trump. I know you said you were genuinely curious, but what if you're not really curious, but instead feeling secure in that because this website is antithetical to Trump, you wouldn't face strong backlash voicing your question?

   

 

You asked what I meant by support trump and I gave you a clarification.

lol, if Leo revealed that he was an avid trump supporter(would make no sense at all given his content, even before he spoke about politics ), I would not agree...

Just go on prager U's youtube channel, click on any video, and read the comments.

I have many family members that were trump supporters. I even was a trump supporter when I was 15/16. I just feel that personal development(and just generally learning about government) made me grow past it. I am just wondering about the perspective of a spiritual/personal-development seeker who is a fan of trump. 

[SerpaeTetra]

Although not nearly as interested in politics, I was a Trump supporter in 2016.  I didn't care as much about policies at the time, but I didn't want to see more Clintons or Bushs.  There are 300+million people in the US, yet relatives of past presidents were being elected a couple terms later, keeping the power in the same hands.   About 6 months in, I started to see the divide he was creating, and I started to see his policies negatively affecting the LGBTQ and minority communities.  I can't side with him anymore.

On a positive note in regards to Trump, he does seem to be a better international negotiator than past US presidents in regards to business dealings.

Edited June 5, 2020 by SerpaeTetra

[Opo]

1 hour ago, Dutch guy said:

@Opo  A quite smart. Trying to do as if your friendly and then putting people away as primitive (stage blue) . Why are you so unfriendly?

I dont think stage blue is primitive. I have a lot of blue. People here usually talk about blue like it is bad and it just reminded me of sd video of blue where leo jabbed blue couple of times and it was funny to me but then when i showed that video to someone and they got offended so i watched it again and realized that leo wasn't completely neutral.

Just trying to help i dont know how else to say it. 

[Epikur]

8 minutes ago, louhad said:

 

YI just feel that personal development(and just generally learning about government) made me grow past it. I am just wondering about the perspective of a spiritual/personal-development seeker who is a fan of trump. 

When I am thinking about it not only is self improvement closer to the right wing but even spirituality is closer to the right wing. 

In general leftists, marxists are materialists. So they don't believe in spirituality or god. Right wing on the other hand believes in mystery, occult, paganism, religion and drugs.
 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Epikur