Question on infinity and perfection of reality

[knakoo]

Infinity seem to imply that every possible configuration of the universe does exist (multiverse theory).

Perfection seem to imply that our universe is in the perfect and unique configuration to maximise love and the good of all (So for instance, taking into account everything else, the current crisis is the best possible thing that could happen). 

So how can it be both ? 

Also, I tend to intuitively understand perfection as the perfect configuration that allows the most pleasant experience possible on average for every conscious being (as in everything if everything is conscious). Is there a better way to look at this ?

If someone can enlighten me on this I would greatly appreciate it

Cheers

ps : Also does this video makes sense to anyone ? Sadhguru seem to say that there are parallel universes but their number is limited.

 

[Leo Gura]

There are no parallel universes, there is only whatever you are imagining right now. So if you are imagining parallel universes, they exist as long as you keep imagining them. And then they stop existing when you stop creating them.

Sadhguru is something you are imagining. He has zero existence outside your own mind.

[Red-White-Light]

@Leo Gura God has to imagine the parallel universe, not your egoic self.

[Girzo]

@Leo Gura You need to make an episode on imagination with your post-retreat perspective on it, because it's a one thing you keep talking about that gets me confused and I believe I am not the only one.

And on what other is. My mind can't compute that.

[mandyjw]

42 minutes ago, knakoo said:

Infinity seem to imply that every possible configuration of the universe does exist (multiverse theory).

Perfection seem to imply that our universe is in the perfect and unique configuration to maximise love and the good of all (So for instance, taking into account everything else, the current crisis is the best possible thing that could happen). 

So how can it be both ? 

Infinity is nothing. It's a concept that doesn't exist outside of thought. 

Perfection is nothing. It's a concept that doesn't exist outside of thought.

Nothing is infinitely perfect. <--- Read that sentence again because it has a double meaning, it both affirms and negates. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by mandyjw

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Girzo said:

@Leo Gura You need to make an episode on imagination with your post-retreat perspective on it, because it's a one thing you keep talking about that gets me confused and I believe I am not the only one.

And on what other is. My mind can't compute that.

Have had much deeper awakening since then. Video coming soon.

I have become completely conscious of the entire structure of reality down to the last molecule and how and why I am creating it.

[Girzo]

@Leo Gura That's cool, because I would like to discover how and why I am creating it. 

Any aid helps.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Girzo

[knakoo]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There are no parallel universes, there is only whatever you are imagining right now. So if you are imagining parallel universes, they exist as long as you keep imagining them. And then they stop existing when you stop creating them.

Sadhguru is something you are imagining. He has zero existence outside your own mind.

Consciousness has/is/will experience every moment of Sadhguru's life no? 

 

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, knakoo said:

Consciousness has/is/will experience every moment of Sadhguru's life no?

Stop making consciousness some other. Consciousness is YOU!

You will experience every moment of Sadhguru's life if you imagine it. Which means you would become Sadhguru and live his life. But it won't happen unless you choose to do it.

[knakoo]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop making consciousness some other. Consciousness is YOU!

You will experience every moment of Sadhguru's life if you imagine it. Which means you would become Sadhguru and live his life. But it won't happen unless you choose to do it.

Yeah I almost wrote "consciousness meaning I has/is/will experience...", but it did not feel congruent so I did not want to pretend. 

God (I) could decide to not experience one specific life ? I did not realise there was a choice. I thought God experience everything.

[Galyna]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are no parallel universes, there is only whatever you are imagining right now.

why parallel universes and right now (whatever now it is: yours/mine/a person in this thread) can NOT be imagined simultaneously. 

Why only 1 NOW per POV?

Edited June 4, 2020 by Galyna

[Joel3102]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There are no parallel universes, there is only whatever you are imagining right now. So if you are imagining parallel universes, they exist as long as you keep imagining them. And then they stop existing when you stop creating them.

Sadhguru is something you are imagining. He has zero existence outside your own mind.

If I imagine all other persons, what’s the point in acting ethically, or giving a fuck about good causes? If other minds don’t exist it literally makes no difference anyway.

[Leo Gura]

45 minutes ago, Joel3102 said:

If I imagine all other persons, what’s the point in acting ethically, or giving a fuck about good causes? If other minds don’t exist it literally makes no difference anyway.

The point is Love.

Love cannot be coerced. Love cannot be made into a should or a must. Love is something you do willingly.

You do not become Good by trying to follow shoulds, you become Good by becoming conscious enough that you see Goodness as the only thing that will make you happy. And then you act out of Goodness even when others are imaginary. You can be Good to imaginary people. In fact, you imagine all people so that you can share your Goodness with them!

The point is to spread Goodness and Love to as many living beings as possible. That's what God is doing. It's the only thing God desires to do. God shares its love by imagining an infinite number of living beings and then killing them so that they merge back into God. This cycle is Eternal. This cycle is what God is. This cycle is Love made manifest.

[Forestluv]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The point is to spread Goodness and Love to as many living beings as possible. That's what God is doing. It's the only thing God desires to do. God shares its love by imagining an infinite number of living beings and then killing them so that they merge back into God. This cycle is Eternal. This cycle is what God is. This cycle is Love made manifest.

From a human perspective, it seems like this is much easier realized in nature. I’ve walked with others in nature and have pointed to birth, growth, life, decay and death as one inter-related beautiful cycling of Love. Many people can see it. Yet as soon as humans are introduced, it’s like a switch is triggered and they go into a totally different mode and cannot see it. 

[Member]

14 hours ago, Red-White-Light said:

@Leo Gura God has to imagine the parallel universe, not your egoic self.

Are you separate from God?

[mandyjw]

12 hours ago, Galyna said:

why parallel universes and right now (whatever now it is: yours/mine/a person in this thread) can NOT be imagined simultaneously. 

Why only 1 NOW per POV?

Because there is only the present moment. BUT there's no moment, the present moment doesn't exist, just as the separate self does not. Past is a concept (imagination), future is a concept (imagination), the present moment is a concept (imagination). All imagination is false, illusion, so comparing differences between mine and yours, is imagination. So what you and I are imagining right now in the present moment is actually a blended soup of past and future, and we can compare the soup and see differences. But the real is always shared, because it doesn't have any qualities to compare. 

9 hours ago, Serotoninluv said:

From a human perspective, it seems like this is much easier realized in nature. I’ve walked with others in nature and have pointed to birth, growth, life, decay and death as one inter-related beautiful cycling of Love. Many people can see it. Yet as soon as humans are introduced, it’s like a switch is triggered and they go into a totally different mode and cannot see it. 

I've noticed this too. It's because we take (believe) ourselves to be human. 

 

[Galyna]

8 hours ago, mandyjw said:

the present moment doesn't exist,

I know time is illusion, I feel like this conversation ain't going anywhere. Thank you so much for your effort 

So the words "the present moment doesn't exist" are just words. Might write as well: "hfhgkjfhkgjhfks jdfsk sfjsdnk" but with regards,  there should be something to acknowledge these symbols, and this should happen in NOW. Otherwise ________ everything rests in the probability that exists in zero-dimensional space without time!

Edited June 5, 2020 by Galyna

[mandyjw]

10 minutes ago, Galyna said:

I know time is illusion, I feel like this conversation ain't going anywhere. Thank you so much for your effort 

So the words "the present moment doesn't exist" are just words. Might write as well: "hfhgkjfhkgjhfks jdfsk sfjsdnk" but with regards,  there should be something to acknowledge these symbols, and this should happen in NOW. Otherwise ________ everything rests in the probability that exists in zero-dimensional space without time!

Yeah, hearing "the present moment doesn't exist" used to be like hearing "God doesn't exist" for me (I was raised Christian and religion was a everything to me). Anyway, it's good to challenge those well practiced beliefs. In response to your original question, why we can't imagine the same reality at the same time, I believe you can if you have an aligned purpose. You just don't usually because you're busy imagining your own. We're mostly all in our own little worlds all the time. 

[Galyna]

@mandyjw sweet, thank you

The premise "God does not exist" has never been a problem, "Time does not exist" either. 

However, "present moment does not exist." Well....then what does exist? Awareness that does not require space and time? 

Intellectually speaking it is hard to comprehend. 

 

[mandyjw]

8 minutes ago, Galyna said:

Intellectually speaking it is hard to comprehend. 

Yep. You won't "get it". Nothing to get. It's not like algebra, there aren't people who get it and people who don't. Thank God. lol