Theory and practice

[kireet]

@Leo Gura How much percentage of the day should we give to studying useful resources and how much to doing practice . I know you have often talked about this topic , but can you please clarify the approximate time one should give . I am someone who does not watch television or play video games , but often times when i start to study ...... i often get carried away and spend the whole day studying , that's the reason i want to know... and i also wanted to know that is studying the theory acting as a distraction here or not ?

[BjarkeT]

Scott H young recommends that 75% of your time should be spent on practice. The same goes for personal development as well probably. 

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

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How much percentage of the day should we give to studying useful resources and how much to doing practice .

It is not about percentages. You can't put truth in a box like this. You want to absorb a certain kind of wisdom, lets say 2-3 hours a day of satsang, if not more (depends on how empty you are that day, the emptier you are the more you are able to listen). I recommend watching Moojiji on youtube.

"Practice" is simply being aware of being aware. Your whole life should be the practice of surrendering to truth in any moment. Surrender every single thought, emotion and sensation to the truth. Stay as what stays. 

Consuming information and knowledge counts as a distraction at a certain point. When you have already the knowledge and insight you need, and you keep watching aimlessly, mindlessly more videos to consume knowledge - that is the mind. The truth is very simple, it doesn't need knowledge. You can still watch satsang because it is a joy, but you don't watch it because you are seeking anything. There comes a time where the seeking stops and you are just watching satsang to reaffirm yourself as the truth, and from there your dynamic expression automatically transcends to a higher level.

 

[kireet]

@BjarkeT thanks for the advice

[kireet]

@IAmTheHolySpirit

2 hours ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

The truth is very simple, it doesn't need knowledge

you may have discovered the truth , i have not . i need to discover the  truth for myself through the path i chose . i respect your path in the pursuit of truth , but the  path that i have chosen requires more than just simply being aware of being aware

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

3 minutes ago, kireet said:

@IAmTheHolySpirit

you may have discovered the truth , i have not . i need to discover the  truth for myself through the path i chose . i respect your path in the pursuit of truth , but the  path that i have chosen requires more than just simply being aware of being aware

You are only choosing this path because you know not of a better path. I am showing you a better, easier, more straight-forward path, a path which is pathless, simply by being aware of being aware you are automatically transported to the highest truth. As long as you stay there, all the necessary wisdom will appear. Do you want the path of distractedness (what you appear to believe that is good for you) or the path of direct truth?

Is the path more important than the truth itself? Will you insist that the truth appears only in the projection of the path you have made up in your mind? If the truth revealed to you itself right in this moment, would you say "No, not now, I need to do some other things before recognizing the truth". 

[kireet]

@IAmTheHolySpirit

20 minutes ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

I am showing you a better, easier, more straight-forward path, a path which is pathless, simply by being aware of being aware you are automatically transported to the highest truth

First of all , i respect the path that you have chosen ...

how do you know that you will transcend the higher truth ? have you experienced it ?

The Buddha also gave a extremely simple , straightforward path, but it is a very slow process and for a few people it may take many lifetimes to experience the truth . However , the Buddha himself did not follow that path , he reached the higher truth through yoga which he learnt from sages in India at that point of time . So .....

20 minutes ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

You are only choosing this path because you know not of a better path

the same can be said about you . 

Are you 100% sure that your way or the "pathless path" is the best way possible. Sorry to say , I think you are  just being ignorant .

20 minutes ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

Is the path more important than the truth itself?

No...

but this is just like saying "is the way more important than the destination?"

it may not be more important , but certainly it is necessary.

20 minutes ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

If the truth revealed to you itself right in this moment, would you say "No, not now, I need to do some other things before recognizing the truth".

the truth has been revealed so many times by great sages , rishis ,yogis , and maybe even @Leo Gura  , but to experientially know the truth is something else , and i dont see the experience happening just like  that ....

ramakrishna paramhansa used to say there is no right or wrong path but  one should not think that only his religion or path is the right one 

PS : - I respect your POV ... no offence

Edited May 31, 2020 by kireet

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

1 minute ago, kireet said:

@IAmTheHolySpirit

First of all , i respect the path that you have chosen ...

how do you know that you will transcend the higher truth ? have you experienced it ?

The Buddha also gave a extremely simple , straightforward path, but it is a very slow process and for a few people it may take many lifetimes to experience the truth . However , the Buddha himself did not follow that path , he reached the higher truth through yoga which he learnt from sages in India at that point of time . So .....

the same can be said about you . 

Are you 100% sure that your way or the "pathless path" is the best way possible. Sorry to say , I think you are  just being ignorant .

No...

but this is just like saying "is the way more important than the destination?"

it may not be more important , but certainly it is necessary.

the truth has been revealed so many times , but to experientially know the truth is something else , and i dont see the experience happening just like  that ....

PS : - I respect your POV ... no offence

I am directly experiencing the truth right now in this moment. You can call me on video if you want to speak and are curious about it. I am only showing you "the path" because I have already walked it and transcended the mind. I am the higher self. I am the embodiment of the buddha-nature. I am not leading you astray. I am not blinding you. In fact the highest wisdom of the universe is being revealed to you. There is no "ego" left in my self, there is only pure consciousness. And I, pure consciousness, am telling you that you can directly experience the truth "just like that", the truth is ever-present, and obviously it is present now also. To experience it you must simply become aware of being aware.

Currently you are identifying as a seeker of truth.

There is an awareness of an identification with a seeker of truth, otherwise you couldn't say "I am a seeker of truth".

Now, you are able to be aware of this awareness, otherwise you couldn't say "there is an awareness of the seeker of truth".

So, there is a seeker of truth (who you think you are), there is an awareness of that seeker (presence, the holy spirit of god himself) and there is something that is able to perceive the presence (the source, universal consciousness).

You must realize this, you don't need anything to realize this, truly even a 3 year old kid can completely understand this and become aware of their true nature. The true nature is very simple, it is not complex, it is merely a matter of looking into that which we call "I".

We believe "I" to be a person, we identify "I" with thoughts, emotions and sensations appearing within consciousness. That is the fiction of what we are. It is not true. There is something that is aware of identification, and that is more true, that is presence, but even that presence can be perceived. You are that which is perceiving the experience of perceiving itself. You are life itself and the witness of life. You must simply remain in the place of witnessing presence, instead of witnessing the mind (thoughts, emotions, sensations). By merely shifting attention from mind (thoughts, emotions, sensations) to presence (The awareness that is effortlessly, ever-presently aware of the mind) then you naturally become peaceful, serene, calm, there is even a joy and a lightness. Stay there for a while. When you become stabilized in that and you feel ready to go next, see if the perceiver of presence can be perceived.

[kireet]

@IAmTheHolySpirit 

32 minutes ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

I am only showing you "the path" because I have already walked it and transcended the mind. I am the higher self. I am the embodiment of the buddha-nature. I am not leading you astray. I am not blinding you. In fact the highest wisdom of the universe is being revealed to you. There is no "ego" left in my self, there is only pure consciousness. And I, pure consciousness

i respect your ideologies , but sorry i don't believe you . i believe that  you have just heard these concepts and now puking out what you have heard(no offence) .Even born siddhas like krishna and janak took some practice to remove vrittis from the chitta and become pure conciousness (chitta). 

even for  @Leo Gura  it took years of practice , and still he keeps coming up with new and more profound experiences and awakenings ..... 

PS :- no  offence

so thank you for your response....

 

Edited May 31, 2020 by kireet

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

1 minute ago, kireet said:

@IAmTheHolySpirit 

i respect your ideologies , but sorry i don't believe you . i believe that  you have just heard these concepts and now puking out what you have heard(no offence) .Even born siddhas like krishna and janak took some practice to remove vrittis from the chitta and become pure conciousness (chitta). 

so thank you for your response....

 

Good luck

[kireet]

@IAmTheHolySpirit thanks buddy

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

If I may, I recommend watching Moojiji on youtube. Just give him a try, you'll like him. He is very lovable. He is one of the buddhas of our time so go ahead.

[kireet]

@IAmTheHolySpirit ok brother i will try surely....

[Waken]

Hi kireet, I understand you might not be looking for this suggestion, but I wanted to add it anyway. For myself I don't have a sense of 'I want to do X amount of theoretical learning like with books, and X time on practices', but just seeing and doing what I feel like doing now. Sometimes it can be reading a book or more books in a week, with maybe 1 hour of practices, then the next week I feel like doing just some practices and no reading for some time. This approach I think is the best way to go at it, what you feel attracted to is often what is best for you, so making use of this natural inborn intelligence is sensible. It's also of course therefore, much more sustainable and much more fun, as you're doing what you really want to do. In addition to that, you're learning to listen to the body, instead of the mind

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

1 minute ago, Waken said:

Hi kireet, I understand you might not be looking for this suggestion, but I wanted to add it anyway. For myself I don't have a sense of 'I want to do X amount of theoretical learning like with books, and X time on practices', but just seeing and doing what I feel like doing now. Sometimes it can be reading a book or more books in a week, with maybe 1 hour of practices, then the next week I feel like doing just some practices and no reading for some time. This approach I think is the best way to go at it, what you feel attracted to is often what is best for you, so making use of this natural inborn intelligence is sensible. It's also of course therefore, much more sustainable and much more fun, as you're doing what you really want to do. In addition to that, you're learning to listen to the body, instead of the mind

You don't listen to the body, you listen to the highest intelligence in which both the body and the mind are perceived. The body doesn't speak that you "listen" to it. You simply stay aware of awareness and rest in that silence and natural peace, and if something needs to be done, the body will do it, you will simply be resting aware of the awareness. That is all you need to do, and you are not even doing. It is before doing. You are noticing that which is timeless and eternal within yourself. You go back to 0.

[SamueLSD]

1 hour ago, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

 If the truth revealed to you itself right in this moment, would you say "No, not now, I need to do some other things before recognizing the truth". 

I argue that they would say: "OH MY GOD", at the very least

[Waken]

By listening to the body, I mean listening to feelings. Feelings are the language of the soul, and so they serve as the perfect guide

[IAmTheHolySpirit]

1 minute ago, Waken said:

By listening to the body, I mean listening to feelings. Feelings are the language of the soul, and so they serve as the perfect guide

Feelings are perceived in consciousness. Feelings are a product of the egoic-mind (until you have overcome it). As long as you are in identification with the mind, all feelings are false and are steering you away from the truth. Feelings are not the language of the soul, the soul has no language in fact. It is beyond language completely and it has no language and it must be like that. Soul and Truth are the same thing and you can't even put the infinite in relative to the finite. It is foolish.

I understand you probably mean the higher vibration kind of feeling, and not the egoic-minds feeling, and yet we must clarify these things so others will not be confused. We must use the correct language to transmit the truth most efficiently and not create more confusion. You can't say "Listening to the body" and then say you meant "listening to feelings" and in "feelings" you actually mean "higher power/intuition" which is beyond the realm of thoughts, emotions and sensations. 

[kireet]

@SamueLSD 

12 minutes ago, SamueLSD said:

I argue that they would say: "OH MY GOD", at the very least

true

 

[Waken]

Just now, IAmTheHolySpirit said:

Feelings are perceived in consciousness. Feelings are a product of the egoic-mind (until you have overcome it). As long as you are in identification with the mind, all feelings are false and are steering you away from the truth. Feelings are not the language of the soul, the soul has no language in fact. It is beyond language completely and it has no language and it must be like that. Soul and Truth are the same thing and you can't even put the infinite in relative to the finite. It is foolish.

I understand you probably mean the higher vibration kind of feeling, and not the egoic-minds feeling, and yet we must clarify these things so others will not be confused. We must use the correct language to transmit the truth most efficiently and not create more confusion. You can't say "Listening to the body" and then say you meant "listening to feelings" and in "feelings" you actually mean "higher power/intuition" which is beyond the realm of thoughts, emotions and sensations. 

Some feelings are the results of thought, yes that's true and good to mention. Saying that as long as there is mind identification all feelings are false and steering away from truth is not true.